Greinke-ganda: Why a vote against Zack is a vote against logic

Greinke-ganda: Why a vote against Zack is a vote against logic

CC Sabathia starts for the Yankees tonight, Zack Greinke for the Royals tomorrow, and Felix Hernandez for the Mariners on Sunday.

At this point, Sabathia and Hernandez could each throw perfect games, and anything short of Zack missing the team bus won't keep him from winning the Cy Young Award and, probably, winning it by a bunch.

Originally, this was going to be a post about the 10 things that needed to happen for Zack to not win the Cy, but I got stuck after this:

10. Zack personally punches each voter in the face.

So we're back to Greinke-ganda, and because I never did figure out how to run a poll on this blog, consider this your official guide to why a vote against Zack is a vote against logic.

Greinke's ERA is the lowest in the American League since Pedro Martinez at the height of his powers in 2000.

Greinke currently has 237 strikeouts in 223 1/3 innings with an ERA that's less than half the league average. There are only seven pitchers since 1901 who've matched that: Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Dwight Gooden, Ron Guidry, Bob Gibson, Pete Alexander and Walter Johnson.

In his losses and no-decisions, Greinke's ERA (3.23) is nearly identical to Sabathia's overall ERA (3.21).

Greinke trails Sabathia by three wins, but take away each pitcher's games against last-place teams, and they're tied with 12 wins each.

Against winning teams, Greinke is 7-4 with a 1.24 ERA.

Eric Wedge called Greinke's franchise-record 15-strikeout domination of the Indians the best-pitched game he'd ever seen in the big leagues. Wedge has since been fired, of course, but he also managed the American League's last two Cy Young winners.

The awkwardness comes in that Greinke has had five starts this year better than the one Wedge thought was the best he'd ever seen, at least according to Bill James' Game Score. They are:

* April 18 at Texas: 9 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 10 K. Zack's had better games statistically, but gets extra points here for doing it at Texas, against that lineup, and on a night where Millwood was almost as good.

* Aug. 30 at Seattle: 9 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K. Last pitcher to throw a complete game one-hitter at Seattle was Nolan Ryan.

* April 24 vs Detroit: 9 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 10 K. Kauffman Stadium was just electric this night, a sold out crowd really allowing themselves to believe in Greinke's greatness for the first time, and even hoping the Royals could compete.

* May 4 vs Chicago: 9 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 10 K. "That's the best performance I've seen in a long time by any major-league pitcher," White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said. "It reminded me of when we came here one day and we faced Bret Saberhagen and he no-hit us. (Greinke's) got better stuff than Bret did at that particular time."

* May 26 vs Detroit: 9 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 8 K. Greinke wanted to end the game with a strikeout on a 62 mph curveball -- "so I could talk trash to Soria," he said -- but it fluttered outside for a ball. Instead, he ended it on his next pitch, a nasty slider. "Kid's got a lot of equipment," Tigers manager Jim Leyland said.

Greinke actually has a better ERA after the All-Star break (1.97) than before (2.12). Both numbers are best in the league.

He is contractually prohibited from pitching against the Royals.

If Greinke pitches 8 2/3 innings, gives up 13 earned runs and records -26 strikeouts, he'll match Felix Hernandez's season stats.

Greinke has given up two or fewer earned runs in nine starts without getting a win. Hernandez has seven such starts, and Sabathia has four (including one he left after 1 1/3 innings).

If you go start by start and give Greinke Hernandez's run and bullpen support, and vice versa, Greinke would be 18-5 and Hernandez 12-11.

According to advanced metrics, the Royals have the worst defense in the American League, and according to ERA, they also have the worst bullpen. Without poisoning his food, it's hard to think of how Greinke's teammates could've helped him less.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on October 2, 2009 - 8:22am.
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Submitted by xero on October 24, 2009 - 1:58am.

I am having fun posting on this blog/site whatever, but have this weird comment...Wouldn't one think Kansas City was in.....KANSAS? Got that wrong in school in 4th grade, and was stunned. Mexico City...Jersey City...NEW YORK CITY...Missouri? Doesn't seem right. No offense intended, just weird as HELL.

Submitted by xero on October 24, 2009 - 1:47am.

Only time I ever got CHILLS looking at his pitching stats before Greinke this season...Maddux, 1994.

Submitted by sw3519 on October 4, 2009 - 2:21am.

is not a bad title to have on one's resume. It would be idiotic to hold one start against Zack when he clearly has the best body of work just because Trey decided to play two infielders in the outfield, something Felix Hernandez never has to suffer.

Submitted by EpiloguE on October 3, 2009 - 4:57pm.

bold prediction. zack just blew his Cy young.

Submitted by IWasTherein85 on October 3, 2009 - 9:24am.

We shouldn't forget to include Roy Halladay in the mix of candidates for the award. He threw a complete game 3-hitter against Boston (at Boston) on Tuesday, an impressive finish for him which will also embellish his credentials as an Eastern Division competitor deemed so important by some...

Submitted by Racewriter on October 2, 2009 - 9:29pm.

We get it, Sam. Grienke for Cy Young.

www.unknownroyalsfan.com

Submitted by EpiloguE on October 2, 2009 - 11:35am.

Mr. Mellinger

You love stats, I have a challenge for you this off season. I would like you to post a list of free-agent position player aquisitions who, when they joined the Royals, put up better numbers then they did the year before with their other team. A couple of qualifications: the player has to have been a full time player (games played limit?) the year before and their first year with the Royals, also you can cut it off at the date that the Royals took their nose dive (1996?).

This comes up because i thought to myself the other day that I can't remember a good free agent acquisition that the Royals have ever made. It seems that our acquisitions either get hurt, or are a dissapointment.

what say yee?

Submitted by xero on October 24, 2009 - 1:55am.

Good idea. Here's one...David Cone after leaving the Mets. Pretty sure without looking that he did well. If you want to bash this team though, go elsewhere. (At least he didn't bring up players KC passed in the past few drafts...)

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on October 2, 2009 - 12:17pm.

....is the first that comes to mind, but your point is well taken. Lots of bad signings.

And let's cool it with the "Mr" Mellinger talk:)

Submitted by EpiloguE on October 2, 2009 - 9:52pm.

Mr. Sam,

I definitely (can anyone spell this word right the first time? I know i never have) recognize the Royals have brought in some pitchers that have improved, both starters and bull pin guys (who we seem to like to trade away these days). I was thinking more of position players, because no one really comes to mind, Joe Randa? maybe, but maybe not his first year.

Submitted by cpass on October 2, 2009 - 10:38am.

...to equal CC's stats:

4 innings
30 earned runs allowed
-43 strikeouts

Submitted by djp7125 on October 2, 2009 - 9:44am.

Sam, if you want to add a poll or survey to a post, check out polldaddy.com

-Dan

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