The lineup game

The lineup game

One of the little things some of us like to do before games is to go down each team's lineup, and see which guy you'd rather have.

As you can imagine, this usually doesn't turn out too well for the Royals, but I can't remember one like tonight. You be the judge:

Catcher: Victor Martinez vs. John Buck. Blowout.

First base: Kevin Youkilis vs. Billy Butler. Butler really is having a historical season, batting .299 entering tonight's game with 49 doubles. Seven players have hit 50 doubles in a season by the age of 23. Three of them are in the Hall of Fame. The other four are Pujols, A-Rod, Grady Sizemore and Miguel Cabrera.

Someday, Butler might be what Kevin Youkilis is now, which is second in the AL in OPS behind Joe Mauer.

Second base: Dustin Pedroia vs. Alberto Callaspo. Callaspo's traditional stats (.302-10-70) are actually even with Pedroia's (.298-13-64). We'll give Pedroia the edge since, you know, he's the reigning MVP.

Shortstop: Alex Gonzalez vs. Yuniesky Betancourt. Gonzalez, so far, has given the Red Sox close to league-average offense and the occasional spectacular defensive play. Yuni's taken enough abuse. Let's just call it another Boston win and move on.

Third base: Mike Lowell vs. Alex Gordon. Even at the age of 35, with a back that wants to retire, Lowell is hitting .292 and making a run at 20 homers.

Left field: Jason Bay vs. David DeJesus. This is probably the Royals' best case. DeJesus is a much better defensive player -- though NOT a Gold Glover -- and actually has a slight edge in WAR, 3.8 to 3.5. But Bay's offensive production is more than enough to make up for it.

Center field: Jacoby Ellsbury vs. Mitch Maier. Ellsbury leads the league with 64 steals, and more than that, was the reason the Red Sox traded Coco Crisp. Maier is only playing because Crisp is hurt.

Right field: J.D. Drew vs. Mark Teahen. Drew's the better player, but if there was a J.D. Drew show between innings at Fenway Park, it would totally suck.

DH: David Ortiz vs. Brayan Pena. This is actually what got me to thinking about this whole stupid thing. How about the way Trey Hillman's used the man they supposedly want to get a better look at as a regular starting catcher? Pena last started at catcher on Sept. 8 (13 games ago) and last played on Sept. 17, and that was just for two innings, no at bats. Then comes tonight, and he's batting cleanup as the DH against Josh Beckett. Go get 'em, kid. Anyway, even in a terrible year, you'd rather have Papi.

Starting pitcher: Josh Beckett vs. Luke Hochevar. If Hochevar had enough innings to qualify, his ERA would be the worst in baseball. Beckett might be in the Hall of Fame someday.

By my count, that's 10-0 in favor of the Red Sox. Not good.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on September 23, 2009 - 7:10pm.
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Submitted by TH on September 24, 2009 - 3:52pm.

DM and Hillman are not learning. The use of Pena is ridiculous unless there is an unreported injury. At this point, a solid GM has to have made a decision on whether to keep Buck or Olivo. Keeping both is an inefficient use of a small-market team's limited dollars.

Jacobs? Why does he keep getting at-bats? No matter what he has hit recently, it's absolutely asinine to keep Jacobs...and his salary...when you have other options...better and cheaper options...for the DH spot.

Did Callaspo actually have a positive UZR for 2008 at 2B? Was the number of games at 2B that small...I can't remember. If so, maybe he's not a bad candidate for the position...at least the possibility to be ok.

THel

Submitted by Racewriter on September 24, 2009 - 1:18pm.

The use of Pena only proves that Hillman is far from being a smart man.

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Submitted by plivvy on September 24, 2009 - 8:02am.

It's not on topic, really, but it involves Luke Hochevar, and you did mention him in the post, so yeah. Anyway, I'd like to find a way to do this without going through each box score, but I will if I have to. So here's my wondering. Of the innings in which Luke gives up run(s), what percentage of those innings involves him giving up 3+ runs? Obviously that would be compared to the innings in which he gives up less than that. It just seems like when he gives up a run or two, he just can't stop it there. So my question to you is whether or not you know a way more efficient than box score calculations?
Paul L.

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 24, 2009 - 9:56am.

Hey Paul, I'm sure you've already checked, but baseballprospectus.com or baseball-reference.com might have some stats that can ease your own study...
JT

Submitted by dsmith84 on September 24, 2009 - 7:16am.

I noticed this last night, but what really got to me was J.D. Drew batting 8th. Sure he's ONLY batting in the .260s (better than at least half of our everyday guys...) but he has over over 20 home runs, and his OBP is in the .380s. If a guy like that was on our team, he'd be batting 4th! Can you imagine how much better off the royals would be if they could get that kind of production from the 8th spot in the batting order?

Submitted by SK on September 23, 2009 - 11:17pm.

Considering the way Dejesus has been hitting, he is better player right now, and unless Bay would consider being a DH, Dejesus is the better player overall. Since June 1st he's been hitting .306/.377/.464 and since August 1st he's been hitting .330/.396/.511. This isn't as good as Bay's .267/.386/.550. but it's close. Given that Bay is rated one of the very worst defensive players in both leagues, and I think Dejesus's glove more than makes up for the difference in their production.

Dejesus's "bid" for a Gold Glove has been met with a lot of jokes but it really isn't all that ridiculous. An arguement can be made that if you're going to give a gold glove to a 1B then it's not that unreasonable to designate a GG to a RF and a LF. If you follow that logic it's not that hard to give Dejesus a Gold Glove. Not only does he have the best UZR for a LF but he is rated 2nd among all position players in the Major Leagues. Only Franklyn Gutierrez beats his +19.0 with a +24.7. That's a fairly strong case, certainly not on worth laughing at.

Dejesus is one of this season's bright spots as well. He's not just a fourth outfielder on a contending team. He's a well above average everyday player signed to a very reasonable contract and is one of the few assets the Royals have at the Major League level.

Submitted by curtisruder on September 24, 2009 - 8:23am.

I agree with your conclusion that DeJesus is better than Bay now. Defense is definitely part of the equation. The WAR number captures that, and shows David ahead.

Here's the thing: if your evidence for the argument not being ridiculous relies on changing the rules of the award, then the argument was ridiculous. Once they change the rules and designate a gold glove be given to a left fielder, then we can talk about whether DeJesus deserves a gold glove. (He still wouldn't, as Carl Crawford is much better than DeJesus. But that would at least be a reasonable discussion. I guess that means DeJesus is a solid candidate for the left field silver glove award, which is just as hypothetical... )

There's a reason there were a lot of jokes about DeJesus's bid for a gold glove - it was a joke.

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