Looking at greedy little draft picks a bit differently

Looking at greedy little draft picks a bit differently

The Royals' first four draft picks remain unsigned, and at least the first three figure to receive bonuses well above baseball's silly "recommendations."

Aaron Crow will be the richest of the draft picks, and as soon as he was selected 12th overall, there were people in Kansas City crushing the guy for turning down $3.5 million the year before. Something must be wrong with him, they say. What kind of kid turns down that money?

If that's your viewpoint, fair enough, it's legitimate. That's a ton of money for anybody, let alone a college kid getting paid to play baseball.

Then there's another viewpoint, one that says baseball is a multi-billion dollar industry flush with cash, and it's only fair that the players driving interest get their share.

Tim Kurkjian recently told the story of Pirates pitcher Ross Ohlendorf, perhaps the game's smartest player -- he majored in Operations Research and Financial Engineering at Princeton -- and his relevant senior thesis.

Ohlendorf looked at the top 100 picks from 1989 to 1993, tracking the progress of each player to determine the financial value of the picks. There is some estimation that cannot be avoided here, but Ohlendorf's thesis -- he got an A on it, by the way -- found that on average, those draft picks brought twice the return.

So if this is your viewpoint, then, yeah, maybe the teams should pay closer to what these guys are worth.

And here's one more viewpoint, one that I find myself leaning more and more to. What if this ends up being the biggest moment of these players' lives? What if they never make it in the majors? What if they get hurt? What if they just don't develop, the way a lot of draft picks just don't develop?

Baseball's draft is the closest thing to a guessing game of any major sports. More can't-miss prospects miss in baseball than any other sport. There's a good chance that for at least one of the Royals' highest draft picks, their financial value will never be higher. Why shouldn't they try to maximize it?

Anyway, here's what I did. I looked at the first-round draft picks from 2000, 2001 and 2002, and compared the money they signed for initially to the money they've made in the seven to nine years since.

Of the 84 players I looked at*, 62 of them have yet to earn as much playing professional baseball as they did the day they signed. Some of them, like Casey Kotchman and B.J. Upton and Matt Cain, soon will earn enough that those signing bonuses will become tip money.

* A small number got thrown out of the study, usually because they didn't sign as first-round picks.

Others, like Dewan Brazelton and Luis Montanez and Royce Ring, may be living the rest of their lives on that first payday.

For whatever reason, we often look at the draft picks as the bad guys in these negotiations, the greedy and unproven ones out to drain teams for every last cent.

But the teams don't have to pay it, and there's no doubt this money means a lot more to a kid who may be setting his family up for life than it does an insanely wealthy team owner.

So long as the financials keep working out that this is smart investing for teams, and so long as the system is set up for draft picks to negotiate free of predetermined salary figures, more power to them if they want to make their first payday count.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 26, 2009 - 8:03am.
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Submitted by DW on June 26, 2009 - 1:14pm.

If it's against the rules to skip the first three rounds, then the Royals should draft the most expenisve players available without any intention of signing them. There's no way the Royals can afford to pay a player $50 million to sign. The entire franchise sold for $92 million in 2000...and even this amount was quite a bit more than the next highest bidder, but David Glass thought it was a fair price and was being generous. The Royals can't leave KC, so the franchise value is probably zero right now because no one who might want to purchase them would want to keep them in KC.

Submitted by hd33 on June 29, 2009 - 11:09am.

when he bought the Royals, there was another bidder, his name escapres me, but he had a group togther which had an offer equal to or more than Glass.

Per Forbes article dated 4/22/09 the Royals are currently worth 314 million with the stadium renovations being complete, I think ole Dave got a pretty good deal and is not really putting anything on the field, although I'll give him a little credit for spending more this year, money was just not spent wisely.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Rank.html

Submitted by cant get right on June 26, 2009 - 10:53am.

First off Mickey Mantle got swindled by the scout that signed him. His dad and Mickey had no idea how much he was worth and I believe he signed for a few thousand. Scouting was also completly different back then then it is now. So you cant even compare HOFers to 2009 first rounders.

Now if you are getting hired for a job and they offer you minimum wage yet you are more qualified and should earn more than that but havent proven anything yet at your new job do you take the minimum wage?

These kids have the qualifications and potential to be good and worth the money, why take anything less.

Submitted by jtuck123 on June 26, 2009 - 11:56am.

"Now if you are getting hired for a job and they offer you minimum wage yet you are more qualified and should earn more than that but havent proven anything yet at your new job do you take the minimum wage?" - Yes. That's what raises are for. If you do your job, you get what you're due.

"These kids have the qualifications and potential to be good and worth the money, why take anything less." - Yeah, they have qualifications like hitting a ball with a metal bat...worth the money? Talk to the first round draft picks of the Royals for the past 10 years...
JT

Submitted by cant get right on June 29, 2009 - 9:43am.

Yes, you get future raises for your performance in your current job. So your saying that you or any one else would take less than your worth because you think you will get raises in the future. If you want to work for min wage I will hire you.
I not sure if you know what I meant by Min Wage, the lowest amount you can be paid legally not the minimum amount you and your peers are qualified to make.

"These kids have the qualifications and potential to be good and worth the money, why take anything less." - Yeah, they have qualifications like hitting a ball with a metal bat...worth the money? Talk to the first round draft picks of the Royals for the past 10 years...
Please give me another argument on this. they practice and play summer ball with wood bats. scouts can tell if a player has a good swing that will translate to wood. If a player continually gets jamed or hits it off the end those are broken bats. You cant just look at stats (Ken Harvey hit around .500 in college if they didnt know his swing and that he hit with a metal bat he would have gone #1 overall. And please dont give me the bad royals draft pick line I talk to them everytime I have my groceries bagged. If they would have put any effort in at all and SPENT SOME MONEY ON UNPROVEN PLAYERS maybe just maybe we would have someone other than Zack and Billy that actually resemble MLB ballplayers. If you want to throw out look at the Royals draft go look at Tampa Bays drafts from the last ten years.

So, you put in your resume for a job that is offering $20 an hour and they offer you the job and say we will pay you $20 an hour, then you say no i havent proven myself please start me at min wage. This is just like getting drafted the player has a resume of playing and gets drafted in a certain slot and is offered slot money or more you are saying offer them the league min because they are unproven. That thinking is why the royals drafts sucked.

Submitted by jtuck123 on June 29, 2009 - 12:25pm.

I could care less how good of a prospect they are, 4 million dollars is way too much to gamble on an unproven player. Honestly, I think most professional athletes are overpaid, but at least they've already made their splash and teams have seen how much they're worth. Albert Pujols got a $700,000 signing bonus as the 402nd draft pick...in that draft, Eric Munson was chosen 3rd and got a 3.5 million dollar signing bonus. He was a bust...

Listen, I'm not a professional baseball player. Sports is different than everyday life. Yes, baseball is their "job", but a high school/college kid getting drafted by a Major League team is like a bank hiring a 18 year old kid to be a manager. They're unproven...maybe they end up being the best manager in the country, but you don't pay a 18 year old kid 50k a year because "he has an upside"!

" If they would have put any effort in at all and SPENT SOME MONEY ON UNPROVEN PLAYERS maybe just maybe we would have someone other than Zack and Billy that actually resemble MLB ballplayers." Alrighty, let's go through and see how much money the Royals have spent on unproven players...
1. 2000 1st round draft pick - Mike Stodolka - 2.5 million
2. 2001 1st round draft pick - Johnathan Griffin - 2.4 million
3. 2002 1st round draft pick - Zack Greinke - 2.475 million
4. 2003 1st round draft pick - Chris Lubanski - 2.1 million - (Royals had the 30th pick as well, Mitch Maier...can't seem to find how much money we spent on him)
5. 2004 1st round draft pick - Billy Butler - 1.45 million
6. 2005 1st round draft pick - Alex Gordon - 4 million
7. 2006 1st round draft pick - Luke Hochevar -3.5 million
8. 2007 1st round draft pick - Mike Moustakas - 4 million
9. 2008 1st round draft pick - Eric Hosmer - 6 million
10. 2009 1st round draft pick - Aaron Crow - who knows?

At least 3 out of the last 10 have been ABSOLUTELY worthless...Gordon, Hochevar and Maier aren't worth the first round money. They've spent almost 30 million dollars in signing bonuses alone on 10 guys of which 2 (so far) are actually worth the money. But, I'm sure that they were HUGE prospects with UNBELIEVEABLE talent who we just couldn't pass up!

Just for kicks, here are the Tampa Bay Devil Ray's picks for the last 10 years:
1. 2000 Rocco Baldelli
2. 2001 Dewon Brazelton
3. 2002 B. J. Upton
4. 2003 Delmon Young
5. 2004 Jeff Niemann
6. 2005 Wade Townsend
7. 2006 Evan Longoria
8. 2007 David Price
9. 2008 Tim Beckham

See the difference? These kids that were drafted, barring a few exceptions, are the reason this team was in the World Series last year...But, I wouldn't have paid Tim Beckham 6.15 million dollars...

"So, you put in your resume for a job that is offering $20 an hour and they offer you the job and say we will pay you $20 an hour, then you say no i havent proven myself please start me at min wage. This is just like getting drafted the player has a resume of playing and gets drafted in a certain slot and is offered slot money or more you are saying offer them the league min because they are unproven. That thinking is why the royals drafts sucked." Again, playing baseball is COMPLETELY different from working a job getting paid $20 an hour. I'm not saying offer them league minimum, but again, 6 million dollars (do you actually realize what a waste of money that is?) is incredibly too much.
JT

Submitted by scottINla on June 26, 2009 - 10:45am.

Great blog. I think baseball fans are too quick to pile on agents for ruining the game for asking for up front money for top picks. To really put it into perspective look at it this way: Boras, in return for Steven Strasburg signing a rookie deal, is basically asking for Carl Pavano money. Pavano! That's less than half of Mike Hampton money. It's a lower per year average than Edgar Renteria money. And it's susbstantially less per year than contracts signed by steroid abusers who built fraudulent stats and failed to perform in a drug testing environment like Sheffield, Giambi, and possibly now Manny Ramirez and A-Rod. You want to argue that large guaranteed contracts to vets who fail to perform is killing baseball and I'm willing to listen. Signing bonuses to high draft picks though? I just don't see it.

Submitted by DW on June 26, 2009 - 9:49am.

Players like Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays got $500 and a bus ticket when they signed major league contracts. No amateur baseball player is worth millions of dollars at that stage of their career. Ball players should "get paid" once they produce in the major leagues. The Royals should just skip the first three rounds of the draft. It's just as likely they will find a future "star" in round 25 as they might in round 1-3.

Submitted by cbrett42 on June 26, 2009 - 12:13pm.

I certainly hope this is a bad attempt at humor. First, Mickey Mantle never made more than $100,000 in a season. So if you say nobody should be paid more than Mickey Mantle, then the maximum amount for a 40-man roster is $4 million. The Yankees revenue is around $375 million according to Forbes, so apparently you'd be okay with Steinbrenner paying his players $100,000 each and pocketing over $300 million himself after paying other operating costs.

Second, you may not think any amature baseball player is worth millions, but obviously the owners who pay amature players millions of dollars disagree. Unless you think they became rich enough to buy a baseball team by buying things for less than they're worth.

Third, you might want to look at the "star" players and where they've been drafted throughout history. Sure, lots of them were taken late or were undrafted, but you'll find a lot more of them were taken in rounds 1-3 than round 25.

Finally, your ignorance of the rules of the MLB amateur draft is showing through. Once a team skips a pick, they automatically forfeit their picks in every follwoing round. So if the Royals skip the first three rounds, they won't be able to draft any players. And I don't think leaving the best amateur players to the other 29 teams is a way to build a franchise. Of course the other option is to take guys who won't demand too much money in the draft. If you've been watching the Royals for the past 15 years, you know how that usually works out.

Submitted by bobtelos on June 26, 2009 - 11:21am.

Good to see you here, Mr. Glass.

Submitted by plivvy on June 26, 2009 - 8:59am.

...the kids are the greediest ones anyway. It's usually their parents and agents in my opinion. Do I think it's absurd to give someone 5 million dollars for not even having played in a minor league game? Yes. But it's really not their fault. Will Luke Hochevar return what he signed for? If he pitches like he did against Cincy and Houston then you bet he will. Will Colt Griffin? No, not unless he works concessions for free until he dies. The precedent has been set, and like you said, Sam, it's a gamble. High risk high reward. But until either a pay scale is put in place or every team decides they don't want to make that high risk move, this is how it's going to be. It's really not THAT ridiculous when you look at Matthew Stafford getting a six-year deal for having never played a down in the NFL (and there have been plenty of #1 football busts). The hope is that these kids are motivated enough to use their talent to work hard and improve to reach their potential. If they're lazy and unproductive then they have to live the rest of their life knowing they didn't do everything they could to reach their potential (which I would think is a much worse sentence than losing out on money). If they work their butt off and just can't catch a break, at least they can live knowing they gave it a shot and if they used their signing bonus wisely, can live off of that for the rest of their life. It's up to them.
Paul L.

Submitted by gsports4 on June 26, 2009 - 11:03am.

Paul - except for the fact that Matt Stafford will play in the NFL. Stasburg, will probably play in the majors, but the point is that Stafford signed a six year deal to play NFL football, not minor league football.

I don't have a problem with the bonuses, if the finances make sense. I do have a problem with guys like Boras holding teams hostage for a major league contract, knowing full well that they will spend one, two or more years in the minors.

That is nothing but pure greed. It's milking the team for the up-front bonus, and then rushing their service time so that they are free agents sooner, and can cash in on some other, probably wealthier, team.

Fine, get as a big a bonus as you can up front, but you don't get a big league contract, and make big league salaries, until you play big league ball, and contribute to the big league returns. That's my take.

Submitted by plivvy on June 26, 2009 - 11:40am.

... I think people like Scott Boras are bad for baseball and nothing but greedy, which is why I blame the agents and parents more than the kids (though some kids are just greedy as well).

Point taken as far as Stafford vs. Strasburg (by the way I go to BYU and the baseball players seemed almost afraid to face him in conference play, but that's insignificant, I can see him being a bust or an all-star). I was mainly just making the point that Stafford could very well be a bust and cost the Lions a bunch of money as well as Strasburg or any other high baseball draft pick could.

I think teams should put some sort of clause in these signing bonuses that if these kids don't work hard, and don't produce, they should give back some of their bonus money. When you invest in the stock market, you can sell before you lose all of your money. Right now when you invest (and let's be honest, that's what it is) in a high school kid, you have no insurance policy against their getting injured or just plain laziness and lack of production. And I'm with you on the big league contract, you have to earn your shot at the bigs. I don't care how good you are in high school or college, until you prove that you can consistently perform in the minors, there should be no guarantee to make it to the majors.
Paul L.

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