Is it really starting to happen? MGD update says yes, is a good way to win a division

Time for your MGD update, and it's a beaut, and if you don't remember what we're talking about, click here.

The short version: we're tracking the Royals' successes and failures through their top three starting pitchers -- Gil Meche, Zack Greinke and Kyle Davies -- in comparison to the top three pitchers of recent playoff teams. We're using adjusted ERA, or ERA+. Now that we're all caught up...

Meche breezed through 6 innings, gave up nothing, and threw only 92 pitches. On another day, I'm guessing Trey Hillman would've sent Gil back out for the seventh, but the Royals scored 12 runs -- a nice change for Gil, who has received some of the worst run-support numbers in the American League the last two years -- so there was no need to stretch him.

Another encouraging part of that outing is that, for reasons that are obvious and otherwise, Gil has a terrible history at Texas. He's open about it, admitting he counts the days of his next start when he sees a road trip to Texas on the schedule.

But none of that mattered on Friday. Gil was terrific, and his numbers now:

1-0, 2.25 ERA, 20 IP, 19 H, 18 K, 4 BB, 1.150 WHIP, 211 ERA+. Royals are 2-1 when he starts.

Greinke had what was probably the best start of his career, throwing a complete game shutout, with 10 strikeouts and no walks. I could write more, but there's this outstanding quote from catcher Miguel Olivo:

"I catch him all of the time. But today, I saw he had the best stuff that he can have. The fastball, the slider, the curve and the change-up -- everything was nasty. To throw a shutout against that team here, that's like a no-hitter somewhere else."

And that about sums it up. Zack's numbers now:

3-0, 0.00 ERA, 20 IP, 16 H, 26 K, 5 BB, 1.050 WHIP, and, well, apparently you have to actually give up a run to have an ERA+ that registers.

So Zack's is just blank.

Still.

After three starts.

Because he hasn't given up a run.

Still.

Anyway, Royals are, obviously, 3-0 in his starts.

Davies' start -- because of what Gil and Zack did before him, and because of what Kyle Farnsworth did after him -- gets lost a little bit. But in some ways, it's just as encouraging.

Kyle was borderline terrible in the first inning, throwing 37 pitches, which he needed because he walked four. He gave up another run in the second on a homer by Ian Kinsler, so three runs before he's out of the second inning, but he settles down enough to get through the sixth with no more runs.

This is the kind of start that you like to see, a young pitcher developed enough both physically and mentally to get through a brutally tough lineup on a day he doesn't have his best stuff and gets rocked early on but leaves having given up just three runs in six innings.

I hope I'm not taking this out of context, because the conversation was about Greinke, but Royals pitching coach Bob McClure was saying the other day that one of the measurements for pitchers is if they can get through lineups "pitching with something in the tank."

He didn't use these exact words, but basically you want your guy to be able to get big leaguers out at a reasonable rate while pitching at 75 or 80 percent. That way, when they get in trouble, need to get out of a jam, they have something extra they can bring to be even more effective.

McClure was talking about Zack's 5-inning start against the Indians, where he constantly pitched out of trouble, and left with nine strikeouts. But I think it could apply to Davies yesterday, too, and if you're looking for reasons to believe that Davies has a lot of this thing figured out, that's as good as any.

OK, his numbers:

1-0, 2.89 ERA, 18 2/3 IP, 13 H, 21 K, 8 BB, 1.125 WHIP, 164 ERA+. Royals are 2-1 when he starts.

So here's your aggregate MGD performance so far:

5-0, 1.69 ERA, 58 2/3 IP, 48 H, 65 K (!), 17 BB, 1.108 WHIP, and an ERA+ that, thanks to Zack, is still undeterminable. If you remember, in the first MGD post we ran a very rough formula to find that recent playoff teams had their best three starting pitchers average an ERA+ of about 125. So far, the Royals are 7-2 when MGD starts.

This week I think we'll start doing a similar breakdown for the Nos. 4 and 5 starters, but whatever, it's safe to say that if the Royals' rotation can keep anywhere close to this, the team will be just fine.

Between all the hubbub about Sidney Ponson and Luke Hochevar ... or the injuries to Jose Guillen and Alex Gordon ... or the struggles of Kyle Farnsworth ... or the extended vacation for Joakim Soria ... it's easy to lose sight of the fact that the Royals' rotation, right now, is absolutely nails.

The starters have a 2.76 ERA, which is the best mark in baseball, and they're also tops with 75 strikeouts, a number that's even more impressive because it comes along with just 25 walks and 68 hits.

The defense on the right side of the infield is a mess right now, and Hillman needs to find the right bullpen juggle sooner than later, but what the Royals' rotation is doing -- MGD in particular -- means the team does not face any obstacle that by itself should keep them from contending in the AL Central.

In some ways, it's really starting to happen.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on April 21, 2009 - 6:32am.
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Submitted by dfrench23 on April 22, 2009 - 6:48am.

Here's a commentary on the game last night from Craig Calcaterra of The Hardball Times "Sidney Ponson does pretty much what you'd expect him to, and that's get blown up (3.1 IP, 8 H, 6 ER, 4 BB). And you can tell his attitude is just as good as ever. I watched this game, and as soon as he gave up the homer to Sizemore, he gets annoyed and starts working quickly and angrily which causes him to throw the ball around even more randomly than he had been. So he walks Mark DeRosa on four pitches, and Bob McClure comes out to talk to him. I can't read lips, but during the mound visit, Ponson has the same attitude as Bender from the Breakfast Club when Vernon was piling the additional Saturdays on him. McClure sits down, Ponson gives up a single to Victor Martinez and then is yanked from the game. The Royals would rally off of Joe Smith and then throw a big scare into Kerry Wood to turn it into a one-run game, but Sir Sidney sealed the Royals' fate last night."

Submitted by bishman88 on April 22, 2009 - 4:14am.

The stats are impressive for the MGD of the rotation. Im a bud man however so that kind of hurts.
How about this stat. Win an average of 15 a month. That should put you in the running for a playoff birth in an average division.
Another quick note......Isn't it nice to be criticizing a team as a possible playoff team and not just hoping for a fluke 83 wins or another moral victory season? Maybe we should try to enjoy the fact that we are really interested each night instead of just casually checking box scores the next day.

Submitted by cpass on April 21, 2009 - 12:00pm.

Sam, Hillman DID send Gil out for the 7th. He faced two batters, gave up two hits, and got pulled. Lefebvre and White were concerned a bit because his velocity had dropped substantially from previous innings; he was only around 85mph.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on April 22, 2009 - 6:51am.

...Brain fart on my part. Thanks.

Submitted by popester on April 21, 2009 - 9:56am.

So my buddy (a Cubs fan) and I are wanting to make a bet: I think the Royals are going to have one of the top 5 pitching staffs in all of baseball, he thinks I'm over-exaggerating.

I think the best metric that we could use is Team ERA+, but I'll be damned if I can find it anywhere on the tubes. Does anyone know where I can get Team ERA+ for 2009 for free?

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 10:29am.

Using the formulas I used before, the Royals ERA+ is 155. That is second in the AL to Seattle's 162. All teams will rank the same as they do using just the ERA stat.

Submitted by popester on April 21, 2009 - 10:33am.

No they won't, because they play in different parks at different frequencies:

Adjusted ERA+, often simply abbreviated to ERA+, is a statistic in baseball. It adjusts a pitcher's ERA according to the pitcher's ballpark (does it favor batters or pitchers) and the ERA of the pitcher's league. Average is set to be 100; a score above 100 indicates the pitcher performed better than average, below 100 indicates worse than average.

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 10:42am.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2009-standard-pitching.shtml

They have different values than the ones I calculated, so they have the adjustments you are referring to included. They still have Seattle with a 157 and KC with a 152. I suppose I could make a similar adjustment downwards for my other calculations, but it looks like the percentage adjustment, at least for this part of the season, is pretty small.

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 10:38am.

What's the formula or figure used to calculate the 'Adjusted' ERA+. I did give you the figure you were asking for, the team ERA+, and the comments I made were correct for the unadjusted metric.

Submitted by popester on April 21, 2009 - 10:42am.

I see, we're talking past eachother :)

Isn't ERA+ just the abbreviation for Adjusted ERA+? Often we're I've seen the term "ERA+" it also mentions that its park adjusted.

Baseball Reference has this to say:

Adjusted ERA is ERA adjusted by park factor and for league averages. Commonly referred to as ERA+, it helps present a more neutral assessment of the performance of players who benefited or suffered from high-scoring parks and leagues or the opposite.

It doesn't seem trivial to calculate for an entire team....

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 10:59am.

It looks like whoever the pitcher (checking MGD, Ponson, and Ramirez) is for the Royals, all of them are adjusted the same (.98 * the unadjusted figures). It's possible this figure will adjust upward or downward based on what has happened in various games. If the calculation is that simple, the 289 I calculated for these three becomes 283.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 21, 2009 - 9:52am.

I just heard that Banny is coming back to pitch on Wednesday. Don't know whether that is a good or a bad thing...can he be any worse that HoRam?

By the way Sam, I know you have nothing to do with it, but I signed up for the texts from the Sports section about the Royals. For some strange reason they like to send multiples...I've received the same text about Brian Bannister 3 times now. I know it's big news, but is it seriously that important?
JT

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 9:18am.

Here is the calculation of ERA+ for these three using the AL average.

9*11/176/3=1.6875 (combined ERA of MGD)

AL ERA= 4.87

ERA+ = 4.87/1.6875*100=289 (100 * League ERA/ERA)

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 21, 2009 - 9:45am.

Alright, I get the ERA+ calculation now, but why have they all pitched 176 innings? Isn't ERA 9*EarnedRuns/InningsPitched? I think what you have to do is average all three of their ERA's, so you would take Gil's 2.25, Greinke's 0.00 and Davies' 2.89 and get a total of 5.14 and then you would divide that by the number of pitchers (3) and get 1.71. Then you would take the 4.87/1.71*100 and get a combined ERA+ of 285. Would that be correct? I know it isn't much different from what you got, but I'm just trying to sort out things in my slow brain...
JT

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 10:01am.

Averaging the ERA the way you have introduces weighting errors. It's only accurate if all three pitchers had pitched an equal number of innings.

I took the three pitchers, combined their runs given up, and their total innings. 11 ER, and 58 2/3rds innings, and calculated the ERA with those numbers as if they were a single pitcher. The math actually works out to 9*11*3/176. Basically, this is generically ER*27/Outs (IP*3).

Your final number is calulated correctly, but the difference in my number and yours is the rounding difference introduced by averaging the 3 ERAs instead of calculating them from scratch.

Submitted by ksuatheart on April 21, 2009 - 9:48am.

176/3=58 2/3rds innings. Calculating it this way eliminates rounding errors.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 21, 2009 - 8:15am.

MGD is killin! The only problem I forsee is the lack of run-scoring. I know that we've had some flashes of offense, but there's been days where we can't get anything going. Hopefully Mike Jacobs is on his way to hitting 54 homers this year (4 in 12 games) and Guillen, Gordon (pending his return) and Butler start hitting the ball even better.

By the way, I think it's hilarious that Greinke doesn't have a ERA+, but I don't understand why you have to have given up a run to have an ERA+. Isn't adjusted ERA just the player's ERA compared to what the league ERA is? Shouldn't that be able to be computed?
JT

Submitted by AxDxMx on April 21, 2009 - 9:04am.

If you have to divide by earned runs allowed anywhere in ERA+ then you end up trying to divide by 0, which has no answer. I'm sure the formula was set up thinking that every pitcher allows a run. WELL NOT THIS YEAR! Greinke = 210 scoreless IP!! He's totally on pace for it!

Submitted by Jayhawk226 on April 21, 2009 - 1:28pm.

But you gotta know he's gonna give up an unearned run or six, because our defense will boot a ball or two. ;)

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 21, 2009 - 9:47am.

Dude, I'm totally for it, Greinke goes without giving up a single run all year...I can't get a formula for ERA+ here at work, but when I get off I'm gonna see if I can find the formula and find out what the deal is...From what I read on Wikipedia, adjusted ERA is just the pitchers ERA compared to the league's ERA, but no formula for it...If 100 is average, if a pitcher hasn't given up a run at all, I think their ERA+ should be something like 1000 or some incredibly huge number like that...

(EDIT): After above comments, it makes sense now why you can't figure his ERA+...
JT

Submitted by AxDxMx on April 21, 2009 - 9:13am.

It's probably just a quirk with the formula.

Submitted by dfrench23 on April 21, 2009 - 7:31am.

The rotation should be Greinke, Meche, Soria, Davies, Hochevar; Good thing - that way we might not go a week without seeing Soria. The bad thing - there is no catchy alcohol-related abbreviation.

Oh, I guess Soria is SO FRAGILE we cannot even pitch him two innings let alone 100 pitches.

Riiiiight....c'mon, four-pitch relievers that have thrown perfect games (at any level) are begging to be stretched out for the rotation. Give it a try.

Here's some data on Soria's stuff that is more detailed than anything I've seen so far.

Submitted by John Dockter on April 22, 2009 - 10:01am.

IMO, a rotation of Meche, Zack, Davies, Banny, and Hochevar could help the Royals more than contend for the AL Central title. Banny had a bad year last year and 2008 was Hoch's 1st full year in the majors...they'll be better. With Tejeda and Mahay as needed and Soria closing, the pen is in good hands...I'm likin' how this year looks!

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 21, 2009 - 8:22am.

...when you have a proven commodity like Soria, he should have a say-so in what he does. I would bet that they haven't put him in as a starter because he doesn't want to be put in the role of a starter...I think he's comfortable where he is and he enjoys the role of closer. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a starter, I just wouldn't want him to be there against his will...

For the record, MGD isn't the best beer out there...it's like a last resort beer if the store is out of everything else.
JT

Submitted by dfrench23 on April 21, 2009 - 1:28pm.

...if YOU think he's comfortable with his role then let's not change it. Let's let him stay in the pen and only pitch when we're ahead by 1, 2, or 3 in the ninth (last year that wasn't too many times) and we won't get him upset.

Puh-leeze.

He's making good money. GM DM or Trey can tell him where and when to pitch. They tell Teahen every day where he will play. IF they decide to make DeJesus a LF they don't ask him if it will hurt his feelings.

Submitted by bangoskank on April 21, 2009 - 2:06pm.

Well if YOU think he should be a starting pitcher then by God make the change TODAY!

Submitted by dfrench23 on April 21, 2009 - 2:38pm.

If the Royals say it's a "dead issue" then I guess there is no need for my viewpoint; however, I am responding with it...getting to the 9th to a save situation is tough enough, why not pitch your second (? or third behind Meche?) best pitcher in a regular rotation instead of risking him sitting out about a week sometimes??

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