Kyle Farnsworth and a questionable decision by Trey Hillman, have we seen this before?

It sure is fun and easy to manage a baseball game from the couch (or the press box).

No decision made from either of those places has any real consequence. If you get it right, hey, look at you, you're a big league manager! If you get it wrong, hey, no sweat, and you don't even have to tell anybody.

When criticizing a manager, it's always best to keep in mind that the guy getting paid for the decisions is working with information the rest of us don't have, sometimes facts that would change our minds, and other times hunches and feelings and educated guesses built on access available only to the guys in the clubhouse.

All that said, this one's hard to understand.

Let's play the skipper game.

It's the beginning of the eighth inning, you're at Texas, and thanks to another absolutely brilliant start by Zack Greinke the night before* you're working with a completely rested bullpen and with the luxury of an offday coming up, you have all your options available. There aren't many days like this for a big league manager.

* More on this later, hopefully, as part of an MGD update. But here's the short version: Zack is really, really good.

The slugger formerly known as Andruw Jones leads off by crushing a first-pitch fastball from left-handed reliever Ron Mahay to the left-field wall. David DeJesus has what would be a fabulous catch in his glove, possibly twice, but he crashes into what appears to be a horizontal trampoline that's in place of the outfield fence in Arlington, and the ball falls for a double.

Hank Blalock is the next batter, and he hits a pretty sharp grounder at Mike Jacobs, who butchers the play a few different ways. He didn't field it cleanly, then panicked, then made a very bizarre toss to first base that, if it had been online, would've been about 10 seconds late. That's not an exact measurement, however, as Jacobs' toss was, oh, maybe four feet wide of what we have to assume his target is.

Here's where we pause for a moment to point out that Ball Star defended Jacobs' defense in spring training. I think (hope?) it came with a qualifier, a recognition of his terrible reputation as a first baseman, but still, I wrote that Jacobs was mostly pretty adequate at first base in Arizona.

And he was. But we should all forget that now. Or, and this would be even better, forget it last week.

Anyway, you've got first and third, no outs, up two runs and a completely rested bullpen -- one of your team's greatest strengths -- so obviously now's a good time to go get one of your relievers.

You've already used Juan Cruz in this game, so your best options to replace Ron Mahay would figure to be:

a) Joakim Soria. He's one of the best relievers in the world, hasn't pitched in nearly a week, and there's been talk around the club that you'd be more willing to extend him past just one inning this year. This is probably a little early, but the option's there.

b) Robinson Tejeda. He has ridiculous stuff, and has pitched 3 2/3 innings for you this season, not allowing a single hit and striking out seven. He's also walked three, hit one, and thrown a wild pitch.

You choose:

c) Jamey Wright. He's a solid if unspectacular pitcher who will give you a professional effort. Nothing wrong with Jamey Wright.

Wright is facing Nelson Cruz, who swings at a first-pitch fastball and chops one to Alberto Callaspo. From the couch, it looked like Callaspo could've turned and had the lead runner at second base, but he plays it safe and goes to first for the out. Jones scores.

One out, the lead's down to one, tying run at second base, the left-handed David Murphy coming up.

You stick with Wright, which wouldn't have been my choice, but fine, Murphy flies out to right field. Two out.

Texas calls on pinch hitter Chris Davis, a rookie who has every look of being a big-time player and soon. He called is effort the night before -- 0-for-4, three strikeouts, including the last out looking -- "pathetic" but everyone in the ballpark knows this kid can rake.

Wright gives up a 94 tOPS+ to righties, and a 107 tOPS+ to lefties*.

* The problem with that stat, of course, is that Trey Hillman says he doesn't care much for splits. This may or may not be the reason heleft Kyle Farnsworth in on opening day to give up a three-run bomb to Jim Thome, may or may not be the reason Jimmy Gobble is not in the big leagues right now, and may or may not be the reason he called on Mahay (a lefty) to replace Cruz (a righty) to face Josh Hamilton (a lefty) an inning before.

This is all confusing, no?

Anyway, at this point you could go to Soria, who is actually a little better against lefties than righties. And did we mention he's fully rested? Hasn't pitched in six days? And is better at what he does than anybody else on your team is at what they do?

The downside is you're on the road so the cool flames won't light up the scoreboard and you won't get to hear "Welcome to the Jungle," but still, this seems like a pretty solid option.

You decide to stick with Wright.

Davis singles home the tying run.

Fine.

Questionable, but defensible.

Wright gets out of the inning with no more damage, you go to the ninth tied at 5. Frank Francisco is dealing in the ninth, and your offense gets nothing.

At this point, you have Kyle Farnsworth and Soria each warming up. Francisco is really the Rangers' only good reliever, so the longer you can keep the Rangers from scoring the more you have to like your chances.

So your choices:

a) Soria. He is terrific. Hasn't given up a home run since last August. Did we mention he hasn't pitched in six days? And you have an offday coming up? And that he's one of the best two or three relief pitchers in the world? Huh? Did we mention that? We can light a match, or track down an iPod and play a little G 'n R for you if that's your thing.

b) Farnsworth. He has two of your team's four losses. He gives up home runs at an incredible rate. You're facing one of the best home run hitting teams in baseball, with the heart of the order due up, in one of the better home run parks in baseball.

If you chose "b," you are the winner of our stupid little game here, because that's what Royals manager Trey Hillman did on Sunday.

Farnsworth, bless his heart, throws a perfectly straight 96 mph fastball down the middle to the first batter he faces, the powerful Michael Young, who crushes one deep enough into the left field seats that DeJesus' first move is not to track the ball but to jog into the dugout.

Soria heads that way, too. At the earliest, he will have gone eight days before he pitches next.

He has now pitches fewer innings in relief than both Jamey Wright and Juan Cruz, the same as Doug Waechter, and fewer games than Farnsworth, who now has three of the team's five losses. The only reason Soria has pitched more innings than Farnsworth is because Soria gets more batters out.

Look. This is just one game. There are 149 more. The Royals are still in first place. Maybe it's the good Farnsworth that comes in the game, blows away the Rangers' power, the move works out and then I'm probably blogging about something else.

Maybe there is some other piece of for-Trey's-ears-only information the rest of us don't know about that makes how he handled the bullpen on Sunday completely logical.

And even if there's not, Hillman is the manager of the first-place Royals even as he's had to juggle key injuries and inconsistencies, the rotation is humming, and in the big picture there are more reasons to be encouraged than discouraged about the Royals.

I get all that.

But, you know, it sure is tough to see Soria stay in the bullpen in that situation.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on April 19, 2009 - 6:43pm.
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Submitted by upamtn on April 20, 2009 - 5:01pm.

... because it should have been Cruz pitching 7th and Ramirez pitching 8th, followed by Soria to close it out in the 9th - W for Davies, H for both Cruz and Ram, S for Soria (or Superman if you prefer) and Royals 8-4 vs 7-5 ...

It's A Jeep Thing

Submitted by kckid6226 on April 20, 2009 - 3:58pm.

It is a good time to be a Royals fan. Relax. Take the kids to the movies or tell your spouse you love them and spend some time with them. Play Golf. Coach is trying to get into Mr. Farnsworth's head. Old School. Mr. Moore is watching. If a reciever drops a ball you go right back to them. We will need Mr. Farnsworth to pitch well at the end of the season. He made the right call. Mr. Soria will be just fine. He didn't pitch alot during spring training and came out just fine. Save the Arm. It is a good time indeed.

Submitted by tb1613 on April 20, 2009 - 9:55am.

I'm so sick of being Farnsworthed (a situation where the only possible outcome will be bad) and it's only 12 games into the season - 25% of the season being Farnsworthed will make for long summer.

At least we get a free Farnsworth jersey this Saturday night....

Submitted by labbadabba on April 20, 2009 - 8:39am.

"You decide to stick with Wright... Questionable, but defensible."

I don't think this is defensible. The game was lost in the 8th inning. As much bad press as Farnsworth is getting, it is the decisions in the 8th inning that lost the game.

With 2 out and 1 on in scoring position in the 8th inning in a one run game with a strike-out prone pinch hitter coming to the plate, how many managers don't bring in their closer at that point?

Heck, I'm sure even Tony Muser would have brought in Ricky Bottalico in that spot.

The fact that Soria wasn't even warm at that point is the unforgivable sin. He should have started the 8th and pitched 6 up and 6 down. We should have never been in a spot to use Farnsy in the first place. Ughgh.

Submitted by seansmall on April 20, 2009 - 8:35am.

Why has Trey basically ignored Tejeda? The dude has wicked stuff and I'd argue is fighting with Cruz as our 2nd best bullpen option.

Instead, Trey goes to an extreme fly-ball pitcher in Farnsworthless in a bandbox park. What did he think was gonna happen?

Submitted by Otis26 on April 20, 2009 - 7:30am.

Now that Farnsworth is struggling...the question has to be what would happen if RAM RAM was still here? Would he have held those games? Has Crisp been decisive enough so far that we would have lost more without him?

I'd be curious on your under-ten-percent-of-the-season-played analysis of that trade so far.

Personally I think Crisp has been way more valuable...but there may be some people out there wondering if it was a good trade (at least to this point.)

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 8:23am.

Well, defensively and offensively, I'll take the Coco Crisp/Ramon Ramirez trade any day...We got a above average center fielder for a relief pitcher. A player who is on the field for 9 innings a game compared to 1 or 2? Dayton Moore is good about getting a serviceable bullpen together, so I would definitely advocate that trade hands down.
JT

Submitted by ryangoodwin5 on April 20, 2009 - 1:45am.

Still in awe of the "brilliance" displayed by Trey today. The only bright spot is that as being a baseball coach myself, seeing a guy like Trey running the Royals gives me hope that I can still make it to the Show as a manager. Also, before we start calling for Gibbons or McClure to take over I would love to know how much input they have on the bullpen usage decisions. Anyway, the real reason for this post is I wanted to share a text messaage conversation I had before today's game. It all started by debating whether or not it should've been Greinke or Soria to throw the 9th on Saturday. I am going to start in the middle of the conversation:

Friend: "If there is a benefit either way you let Zack finish without on outrageous pitch count and you keep The Dentist rested for a day game today"

Me: "The Mexicutioner Surgical Dental Practice at your service....My deal with the visit (Trey imparting wisdom to Zack after he gives up a 2 out single and then proceding to look shaky until strike 3 to Davis) was why break his rhythm?"

Friend: "Trey's genuis is not easily understood by lay people like you or me"

Me: "I think a dog would have the same genuis level as Trey if he had those Top 3 starters and closer"

Friend: "Would a dog have let Yimmy Yobble (Tony Pena Sr's way of saying Jimmy Gobble for all the bandwagon jumpers out there) face more Righties than Lefties last year?"

Me: "No. Even a dog knows Yimmy should only face lefties."

Submitted by whatswright on April 19, 2009 - 10:06pm.

great stuff sam... always great stuff, but this is particularly good my man...

Submitted by jmcgoblue on April 19, 2009 - 9:02pm.

Farnsworth needs to be relegated to mop-up duty until he can prove that he can actually pitch. I know KC is paying him a lot of money, but the bad decision just gets magnified every time he goes out there in pressure situations.

I really (really) want to like Trey Hillman, but he's making it tough. He wants to be an old school guy who manages by instinct and hunches...the problem is that his hunches are making absolutely no sense so far. Baseball is a game of percentages, and the manager needs to be aware of these percentages and be able to use them to his team's benefit (it's really not that much to ask). Can you imagine if he did this managing for NY or Boston? He'd need a security escort to get out of the parking lot after the game. KC is sadly so used to losing that we're indifferent to this cr@p.

With the starting pitching + Soria we really have a chance to make a run at the Central division this year, but with the weak offense it won't be easy...we'll need to win nearly every game that we SHOULD win. Again, I like Hillman and want him to succeed...but I'm getting a bad feeling about him.

Submitted by Mr Hawks on April 20, 2009 - 3:44am.

I sit here daily at my PC, in Tokyo, Japan, and see many comments about "not understanding what Trey is doing". when, in fact, he is doing everything that a future championship manager should be doing: teaching the correct way to play.
I've spent the last 15 years going to baseball games here in Japan, including professional, amature and high school (they take that rather seriously here. in fact, there have been a few teams that would be able to beat the best minor league teams in the states). Bobby Valentine manages here, and is a GOD. there are a couple other American managers here. trey hillman was beloved, and it was a sad day when he left after winning a championship. The typpical American would say "the manager was brought there to teach the japanese how to play baseball." but then, there are the people who know what they are talking about that say "they are there to win, and get some on the job training about how to play the game and win".
The latter is exactly what trey has done. he is trying to incoroprate the world champion japanese/asian style of correct baseball in to the royals. That gives the Royals a leg up in a couple years when the steroids are all gon, and the Steve Balboni 36 HR season leads the majors, and the Royals are champs again!!!
NIPPON!!!!! USA still has a lot to learn about baseball!!!

Sean Schloss
KC, Mo
Ex-pat in Jjapan

Submitted by Wet Willie on April 20, 2009 - 8:44am.

Yasuhiko Yabuta.

Cheers.

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 8:00am.

So the "correct" japanese style baseball is to pitch your worst relievers in the most crucial situations? Wow, no wonder people over there enjoy baseball so much. the 8th and 9th innings must be lots of fun with all the comebacks and blown leads.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 8:55am.

...Japan owned the US in the WBC...Don't even try to say that the US didn't have any good players there. The whole lineup is All-Star...I don't think that he was trying to say that putting in a terrible relief pitcher is the way they play in Japan. I think he's trying to say that our perception of Hillman is skewed by modern American style baseball, AKA Steroids and the Almighty Home Run. I think we could learn quite a bit from the Japanese players and the respect they have for the game...
JT

Submitted by The909 on April 20, 2009 - 11:17am.

between learning a few things from Japenese baseball and saying that it is better ball than the US version. It's obvious to dang near everyone that Hillman's decisions were bad yesterday, and combined with two poor defensive plays cost the Royals the game. Don't confuse the Japenese success in the WBC with a good game by Hillman yesterday.

We should have brought the ace in the 8th inning with runners in scoring position. That was the game imho.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 11:58am.

...that Japanese ball could be better than American. I'm not dissing on the MLB, but I think that Japan's might be better. I like their passion, I like their style and I like how much it means to them.

I'm not saying that Japanese baseball = Trey Hillman's bad calls. I'm saying that he did manage over there and he did an amazing job. He turned a terrible baseball team into a championship winning team (Nippon was the worst offensive team in the league and they managed to play small ball and win). Yes, he probably made poor decisions over there too, but look at the end result. He makes poor decisions here, but we don't know the end result yet. Be patient, wait for it and then respect the results and the man who brought them. If he doesn't bring the results, then you have a reason to pick him apart.

And yes, Hillman shouldn't have brought in Farnsworth, the Mexicutioner would have taken care of business...Alas! Hindsight is 20-20!
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 12:02pm.

he wont ever bring results. He continually makes the most idiotic decisions better. If you think the japanese league is better than mlb, then good luck with that. Its funny considering the best japanese players are in the mlb.

japanese baseball = AA

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 12:10pm.

...how much money is wasted on terrible players...I bet you anything that Japanese players aren't making as much money in Japan as they could in the MLB. Sad thing about the MLB is they can buy whoever they want from wherever they want...That's the only reason they play over here...
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 12:34pm.

USA > japan

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 12:15pm.

glad you came around.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 12:25pm.

Congrats man...you win!
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 8:57am.

I prefer my managers to actually understand baseball. I guess that is not a requirement in Japan.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 10:00am.

...that why the best team that the US put up couldn't beat Japan...By the way, just to let you know who the best team in the US is, here we go:
1. Shane Victorino
2. Curtis Granderson
3. Adam Dunn
4. Ryan Braun
5. Kevin Youkilis
6. David Wright
7. Jimmy Rollins
8. Brian Roberts
9. Evan Longoria
10. Chipper Jones
11. Derek Jeter
12. Mark DeRosa
13. Brian McCann
14. Chris Iannetta

And the Japanese have who? Daisuke, Johjima, Akinori Iwamura, Kosuke Fukudome and Ichiro? Look how much good the US did...

As for Trey, I can't see a manager forgetting everything that he learned over in Japan just because he came to the big leagues. I'm sure he screwed up over there too, but tell me, what manager hasn't screwed up? Get over yourself and go get a manager job and show us all how good you are at it...
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 10:15am.

would do better than hillman.

whooppee the japanese won an exhibition tournament. Wow! That means hillman is an excellent manager, yep. You got me. My bad.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 10:37am.

...since there is no point in debating anything with you, get back with me at the end of the season and tell me how terrible of a manager Trey Hillman is...
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 10:56am.

he sucks after that, he sucks after a few weeks in 2009...He will always suck. He refuses to change from being terrible. I hope he gets fired or quits ASAP.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 11:33am.

I guess his "suckiness" has translated into wins by the team that he manages...Man, too bad we aren't in last place so that you could be right...He'll probably suck after we make the playoffs too, right?
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 11:42am.

we lost more than we won last year.

If the royals get in the playoffs it will be in spite of hillman, not because of him.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 12:03pm.

"we lost more than we won last year." - Yeah, but we also have continued to win more games each year...no backsliding, no getting worse.

Just for good measure, find me a playoff team that has won in spite of their manager...show me the stats on that! In a way, winning in spite of your manager shows just how good the team is. But we won't attribute any of the good parts of the team to the manager, that would be ridiculous...
JT

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 12:06pm.

not one iota. The manager and the team are two different things.

Submitted by jtuck123 on April 20, 2009 - 12:16pm.

Manager and team are two different things...Yeah...Get someone to agree with you on that statement...That's why the manager gets fired if the team is doing terrible...Ask the Seattle Mariners about that one...
JT

Submitted by labbadabba on April 20, 2009 - 8:33am.

Submitted by eakers on April 19, 2009 - 8:44pm.

Not too much; much too much.

This is a normal decision to bring in the setup guy at this time. He happens to not be pitching well, but if he does begin to pitch well, he will be a heck of an asset. You are complaining about this because you really do not like Farnsworth and do not think he is worth anything. Unfortunately for you, Hillman and DM feel he is still a good pitcher.

If Soria had come in and and we went to extra innings, would you have complained when Farnsworth came in during the 10th inning? Because that is what would have happened. This is why, when you are on the road, you bring out the non-closer in this situation, but at home you bring in your closer.

Submitted by brokenbatsingle on April 20, 2009 - 8:01am.

he is better than farnworth. We could have pitched tony pena jr too.

Submitted by Jeffj12 on April 19, 2009 - 8:37pm.

For those of us watching the game on TV, we got to see three sides of Trey Hillman. First, the good - after taking Kyle Davies out of the game, he spoke in what almost seemed to be an invasion of Kyle's personal space, and yet Davies seemed reptured as his manager spoke to him, arm around his neck as if he were a father talking to a son, or an older borther talking to a younger lad. Only thing is, most of us just wish our dads or brothers would talk to us in that some, loving way. It was quite a sight.
The go to the bad. Forget the Farnsworth thing, that's simply too easy. Why take Cruz out in the first place? Leave him in, he gets you to Soria, and Farnworth is a spectator. No reason to take Cruz out of that game. What ever decision we want to second guess - or first guess, as it were, since we held our head in our hands as we saw both Mahay and Farnsworth enter the game - the decision almost certainly doesn't need to be made with Cruz still in the game.
The ugly? After the game, Hillman called the loss more a breakdown defensively rather than a bullpen issue. 'Scuse me? Mahay wiggles out of the 7th, but does anybody think Andruw Jones takes Cruz to the wall in the 8th? And when he does, Hillman, on the post game show on TV, seems to intimate that David could have had the ball. He could have, but it would have been a Baseball Tonight Web Gem. Jacobs kicks the next ball, granted. Callaspo doesn't get the lead runner. I get it. But again, Cruz pitched to 3 hitters, and none of them put the ball in play. It's doubtful, though not a certainty, that Cruz would have allowed as many balls to simply be put in play as Mahay and Wright did. The fielding wasn't great, but don't throw the guys under the bus when, by a decision you made - things unravel into something other than loverly tatpestry of a sweep.
The Good: Chattying, father-son like, with Davies.
The Bad: Removing Cruz
The Ugly: Throwing the fielders under the bus when a mistake from the dugout - may have contributed to the ones Trey spoke about.

Jeff - Iowa

Submitted by dive55 on April 19, 2009 - 8:12pm.

I know the topic du jour is how bad Farnsworth is (well that and Hillman's decisions), but I think it is becoming obvious that the Royals' pen isn't as "great" as thought at the beginning of the season. Yeah, Soria is great and yeah Farnsworth is bad, but the guys in between are starting to have question marks pop around them in my opinion.

Submitted by cattlecall on April 19, 2009 - 8:06pm.

Stinky stinky stinky... Agree, that the ROYALS are doing just fine, SO LONG as Hillman just goes back to the tunnel and shaves himself instead of messing with the pitching changes... Ryan Lefebrve for Manager!!

Submitted by AxDxMx on April 19, 2009 - 7:57pm.

For the most part, second guessing the manager is pretty easy since you have zero responsibility for the outcome. Too bad Trey has responsibility and he keeps making the worst possible choices. They haven't all been bad, but man, he's lost 3 games by giving Farnsy the ball when we all knew he shouldn't have. Farnsy is 0-3, Hillman is 0-3, and the rest of the Royals are 7-2. Without Hillman, the Royals could possibly be 10-2 at best.

Rany has the best column on this:

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2009/04/another-injury-to-overcome.html

John Gibbons for interim manager!

Submitted by dfrench23 on April 19, 2009 - 8:23pm.

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