Why the Royals should take a small gamble and trade for Rich Hill

The Royals say they want to build on pitching. They want to take calculated risks, acquire guys with big potential, and if they don't work out, fine, move on to the next chance.

Trading for Rich Hill fits perfectly.

I say this knowing there are no indications that the Royals are actually, you know, going to do this. Nothing credible has been reported along those lines, and someone in the front office told me recently that Hill's name hasn't come up in conversations in months.

But it should. Especially with the Cubs apparently willing to accept just about anything, including the legendary player-to-be-named-later based on Hill's performance in 2009.

He is left-handed, with a huge curveball, and just about unhittable when he's right. This is the guy who won 11 games, pitched 195 innings with a 3.92 ERA and 119 ERA+ --- and who started in game three of the NLCS two years ago.

Of course, there's a reason he's available, and it's not just because he did got shelled in that one playoff start.

Hill is in the organization's doghouse and out of minor league options. He walked 18 in his first five starts and 19 2/3 innings last year, then was demoted to Class AAA, demoted again, all the way down to rookie ball.

That's fine. And maybe Hill will go down as a tease, another pitcher just talented enough to be a let down over and over and over again.

But he's also cheap --- made $445,000 last year --- and virtually no trade risk.

And two years ago, he struck out 183 and walked just 63 in 32 starts. This is not a Colt Griffin situation, where the Royals would have to hope for someone to perform at some new level.

It's obvious Hill can be a very good big league starter. He was the year before last. That's not ancient history. He turns 29 in March.

If Hill flops, the conditional player shipped to the Cubs is a nobody.

If he figures it out, the conditional player is a legit prospect you look at as the cost of acquiring a third young staple of the rotation to fit behind Gil Meche and Zack Greinke.

This is the risk teams like the Royals should be taking. If Hideo Nomo was worth the risk, or Brett Tomko worth a $4 million bet, then how can Rich Hill not be worth a bottom-level salary and bottom-level minor leaguer?

Bob McClure has a reputation as the best coach on the Royals' staff. Meche gives him a lot of the credit for his emergence in Kansas City.

Let McClure work with Hill. See what happens. McClure lasted 19 years in the big leagues as a left-handed pitcher. Maybe he sees something in Hill, maybe he finds the trick, unlocks the potential and the Royals deepen their rotation.

Dayton Moore is talking a lot this offseason of the depth he's created, the competition that will exist in camp, and what he says some are telling him is the best top-to-bottom Royals roster since before the strike.

They're entering camp with Kyle Davies, Horacio Ramirez, Brian Bannister and Luke Hochevar competing for three rotation spots.

Putting a big-potential lefty like Hill into that rotation competition sure would strengthen Moore's case.

A conditional player-to-be-named is a small price to pay for a guy who would be under club control four years and just might turn the rotation from good to really good.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on February 1, 2009 - 9:40am.
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Submitted by Otis26 on February 2, 2009 - 8:45am.

Looks like Hill will be going to the Orioles for a PTBN. Good speculation but doesn't look like he's coming here...unless he fails to crack that vaunted Orioles starting staff.

Submitted by charlie on February 2, 2009 - 12:06pm.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-02-02-orioles-cubs-trade_N.htm

I would vote for signing Free Agent Randy Wolf... He's a Lefty and the 3rd best pitcher available (behind Oliver Perez & Ben Sheets) and he's on the Chi-Sox's, Mets' and Phillies wish-list. He'd be an upgrade over Hill.

Submitted by Otis26 on February 2, 2009 - 2:35pm.

I don't think the Royals are going to sign any big-name free-agents at this point. I believe they're pretty much set.

I'll caveat that by saying that there are some really good players out there who are getting anxious to find a new home since spring training starts in two weeks. It's been a weak market so there could be some really good bargains out there.

If that happens I could see Moore going to Glass and saying "I can get this guy for X! He's a key piece!" and potentially Glass letting it happen...but I wouldn't count on it.

Submitted by charlie on February 2, 2009 - 5:32pm.

Or a strict need or opportunity like Ben Sheets at a bargain rate... The catchers that are available are too old or not good enough. Otherwise, we're fairly well set elsewhere.

Submitted by Otis26 on February 2, 2009 - 7:10pm.

Ben Sheets is a Type A Free Agent who was offered arbitration. That means the Royals would have to give up their second pick in the draft (normally it would be their first pick but since they pick in the Top 15 that one is protected.)

So the Royals would have to spend a lot of money and give up a high level prospect. I don't see them doing that...but I could be wrong.

Submitted by charlie on February 3, 2009 - 1:40pm.

Wolf is a Type B free agent and a lefty who is a typical rear-of-the-rotation-starter.

Granted, I love what Sheets would do to our rotation, but you're right on the cost. Oliver Perez is going to the Mets, so if you look at what's out there that GMDM could convince Glass to spend money on, Wolf is pretty much the best fit and would give us a five man rotation of:
Meche (R)
Greinke (R)
Davies (L)
Bannister (R)
Wolf (L)
and keep Hochevar in the pen for spot-starts and long relief. To me, that looks pretty solid in the AL Central.

Submitted by hinser on February 3, 2009 - 3:24pm.

I am not a fan of Wolf. I work in the media here in Philadelphia but am a KC native. Wolf, although a great clubhouse guy, is on the decline. I honestly feel he has a year or two tops of being effective. This year may be that year that he drops off.

Therefore I would not waste the time or money on Wolf.

Submitted by charlie on February 5, 2009 - 11:30am.

If you look at his ERA, 2006 (5.56) was atypical. He's essentially a 200 inning 4.2 ERA pitcher with a 2:1 strikeout to baseonballs ratio. Not a dominant pitcher, but definitely a decent tool for a penant seeking franchise. Accordingto Baseballreference, his last three years, by age, he has been most similar to Jason Schmidt, Bruce Hurst and Steve Avery. Any of those guys at 33 would be welcome in KC. Hurst went on to win 15 games after that age and Schmidt actually went 11-9 @ 33, so I'm not sure that Wolf is done.

That said, the down side is that Wolf is an NL pitcher and in the AL he won't have the luxury of coasting on that #9 lineup slot. That may cost him a few innings per season. Sheets would be nice, but costly and Oliver Perez signed with the Mets. Granted there are a couple of interesting options in the market like Sidney Ponson, Mark Mulder and Curt Shilling which could be tempting but too much of a gamble to consider.

Submitted by Otis26 on February 6, 2009 - 4:02pm.

This from mlbtraderumors.com:

"Sheets had an agreement with the Rangers called off when his physical revealed the possible need for flexor tendon surgery. He's having the surgery and aiming for a second half return, likely leaving the Brewers without draft pick compensation."

Submitted by charlie on February 13, 2009 - 9:50am.

Sheets remains as the best pitcher in the market. I understand his surgery was successful (must be surgical lingo for: he still has an arm) and may be ready for July. I'd go after him... But for a much lower price and for maybe 3 to 4 years.

Submitted by charlie on February 1, 2009 - 9:36pm.

Before I start gushing over this, let me remind you that the rumor is that Hill is going to the Orioles early this week, so GMDM is going to have to burn up the lines to do this deal and give them a known quality, even a real leliever, but the Cubbies do need a quality catcher. That we can give them along with a defensive IF specialist to spell Theriot who's less than impecable @ fielding.

This guy was a starter throughout his minor league career and came up as a starter. Then, he was sent to "the pen". I think he's being a good trooper, but the unhappiness has screwed up his "mojo". Ask any pitcher, pitching is very "mental"... And the story is that Lou Piniela thinks that Hill is not too mentally tough. He may like it here.

If I were GMDM, I'd do the deed. I'd send them Tony Pena Jr along with Buck. That way, we trim some payroll on the gamble and the Cubbies can sell their fan on the trade as a "good deal" while we avoid the PTBNL being someone we'd actually like to keep. Let's look at the positives: He's a lefthander with a proven track record of being able to strikeout hitters at every level he's played. At 28, he's entering his prime as a pitcher and should not be too prone to injuries, although he did have a back injury last season, but those can happen to anyone. We could shed TPJr and Buck's payroll for a pittance. Did I mention that he's a proven if inconsistent lefthander?

He's got a not-so-awsome low-90's fastball and a "cutter" to go along with what appears to be a very good 12-6 curveball. In my own humble opinion, these are not enough arrows in his quiver. Assuming that he's an overhand pitcher, a slider is probably out of the question as the slot is ussually not the same, but he could learn to throw a change-up, a sinker and a screwball to go along with his repertoire. The changeup and sinker he'd have to command to the level of being able to place it at will, but the screwball, he only has to be able to throw it so it breaks while looking just like his curveball (it must break and stay low) and then use it sparingly until, or unless he becomes the second coming of Luis Tiant and controls it. If he's able to do that, he becomes able to really upset timing with a variety of speeds and movement on pitches that can all be thrown from the same arm-slot. In a couple of years, we'll have to pay dearly for having taught him a few more pitches...

We'd be trading for a mild rehab project that has enormous up-side, if he works out. If he works out, then we'll have a glut of quality pitchers who are able to start and make hitters look foolish. That's not an altogether bad problem to have. We also can forget about needing Ben Sheets and go with a five man rotation of the big two and whomever feels best of Davies, Banny, Hochevar and Hill. They could all end up with 15 - 18 starts and some looooong relief should a starter get rocked early. Italso means that we'll be carrying 10 pitchers (Meche, Greinke, the 4 starters/LR, 2 middle relievers, 1 setup and Soria) for sure.

If it doesn't work, TPJr is gone and Buck is on some other team's payroll.

I like it.

Submitted by cbrett42 on February 1, 2009 - 2:31pm.

With the way that the Cubs are giving away players for nothing this off-season (Pie, Cedeno) the Royals should definitely try to get Hill. There's no reason that only the Orioles and Mariners should get to take advantage of the Cubs giving up on young players.

Submitted by SAH on February 1, 2009 - 1:31pm.

... they could lay in wait & pounce when he's released (giving up no one).

Submitted by NoMoreNeifis on February 1, 2009 - 1:29pm.

Seriously, I've watched many, many Cubs games in the past 3 years and this guy has the WORST body language you could imagine on the mound. He looks like it's the last place in the world he wants be. I don't think he has the "yips" in the traditional sense, but I do think it's all in his head, and I think the Cubs have handled it poorly. They are definitely a sink or swim organization (see also Pie, Felix). I don't typically think much of armchair psychology, but to me it sure looks like Hill has some kind of anxiety issue.

He reminds me very much of Greinke in the dark days, so this is definitely a move the Royals should explore if they think Hill would be amenable to some off the field coaching. Hill even seems to act the same way with teammates that Greinke did. With therapy and the right drugs maybe he can get back to being the confident kid he was when he first came up to the show. Right now he's a wreck. Couldn't even get it together in Venezuela winter ball.

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on February 1, 2009 - 12:42pm.

The talent is certainly there. He'd certainly address the lefty issue Moore seems to be hung up on (Horacio, really?).

If they want to get rid of Hill, the Royals should pony up whatever Double-AA mid-level prospect the Cubs want. That's really what building the farm system is about.

Old Man Duggan at Royalscentricity

Submitted by Karte on February 1, 2009 - 12:35pm.

"someone in the front office told me recently that Hill's name hasn't come up in conversations in months....McClure lasted 19 years in the big leagues as a left-handed pitcher. Maybe he sees something in Hill, maybe he finds the trick, unlocks the potential and the Royals deepen their rotation."

Or maybe McClure has looked at the video of this guy and saw something he didn't like, and that's why the Royals aren't interested.

I don't know either way, but I am sure that KC knows of Hill's availability and discussed it. Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.

Submitted by tanana on February 1, 2009 - 12:06pm.

Sammy-

I agree with you...it does make too much sense...I do know that the Cubs believe the mental part of Hill's game is what brings concern. I believe that since he is out of options they have enough pitching depth that they are willing to cut bait here. The Yips are such an interesting psychological issue for pitchers and some never recover....

It would not cost much to get him...maybe a guy like a Mertins, McConnell, or Maddox....

If he does not make the club though (and I know you know) the Royals risk losing him...but if he comes in to ST and McLure can fix him I am much more comfortable with him in the rotation than Horacio Ramirez (who, it sounds like Dayton expects to be in the rotation)

Shamwow,

Schaum

Submitted by ryangoodwin5 on February 1, 2009 - 11:24am.

because when you make a point on personnel it always makes too much sense for a team to follow that advice. Would love to hear the reasons why the Royals haven't made this move yet.

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