Dayton and Royals fans are back from their Caribbean cruise -- chores need to be done, and someone keeps getting a headache

Dayton Moore's honeymoon with Royals fans was nice while it lasted.

They danced, they ate, they told old stories and they talked about new ideas. Royals fans, sick from years or abuse and neglect, took to Dayton almost immediately.

He treated them with respect, dangled a resume of 11 straight playoff appearances in his previous relationship and talked about growing up as a Royals fan while others talked of his turning down offers to date more, um, genetically blessed franchises.

In turn, Royals fans lavished him with love and praise, subconsciously comparing him to previous and disappointing relationships. When they heard others compliment their new love, point out that this one seemed real, seemed legitimate, it only made it sweeter.

But now, in the 33rd month of the relationship, it is clear that the honeymoon is over.

I know that Dayton feels good about every move he's made. I know that he replays scenarios in his head all the time, thinking of ways he could have done this or that and come out with a better product. I know he has occasional regrets, usually minor and sometimes not, but almost always feels good about his "process."

On the other hand, it's easy to see where the fans are coming from here. You guys have been more than patient. Two and a half years -- including three offseasons -- is an incredibly long time to give the GM* of your team before the criticism.

* Then again, this is the town where Carl Peterson lasted 20 years, so who the hell knows? We kid because we care.

The Royals have gone from 60 to 69 to 75 wins under Dayton's watch. More importantly, they've gone from league-wide joke, worse-than-an-expansion franchise, to something respectable and widely recognized as one of the small-money organizations doing the right things.

David Glass has opened his wallet since Dayton's arrival. The first two offseasons, the largest free agent contracts in the AL Central came from the Royals*. In the third offseason, the Royals flirted a bit with Rafael Furcal, fell short, but still will increase their payroll something like 20 percent.

* Whenever I use that line, it's always worth noting that this is technically true but does not count the eight-year, $152.3 million extension Miguel Cabrera signed with the Tigers.

The Royals have beefed up scouting, added player development staff and teams, and spent more than any other team in last year's draft.

Five years ago, the Royals only took players after the foruth or fifth round who would sign for $1,000.

Last year, they paid $1.25 million for their fourth round pick.

Zack Greinke has gone from lost baseball soul to one of the best young starting pitchers in baseball. Joakim Soria has gone from Class A ball with the Padres to shut-down fan favorite All-Star closer with the Royals. Gil Meche has backed up a $55 million contract. Mike Aviles was a revelation last year.

Now, it's impossible to say for sure what parts of the above six paragraphs are a direct result of Dayton and the guys he's brought in, and what parts are circumstance.

Was Glass ready to spend more, regardless of who was hired as GM? Probably.

Would Soria be closing in Kansas City if not for the scouts Dayton brought in? Probably not.

Would Greinke be in the position he's in now without the support system that's been created the last three years or so? Nobody can be sure either way.

But none of that really matters.

The portion of the Dayton-Royals marriage where it's good enough that the Royals are no longer a league-wide punchline is over.

You could argue there never should have been a time like that, and you could argue that the GM should be trusted as long as the team keeps adding six to nine wins every year.

Both sides are right, depending on your perspective.

I grew up in this area, close enough to climb into the station wagon every few weeks during the summer and ride to Kansas City when the Royals were at home. Mom and sister would go shopping or do whatever it is women do, and me and my dad would go to the ballpark.

I'm old enough that one my oldest sports memories is Darryl Motley catching that last out and Bret Saberhagen jumping into George Brett's arms as the Royals won the 1985 championship.

I remember the Royals being good, but those memories are grainy video, buried under the high-definition images of the last decade or so, guys falling off bases, climbing walls to watch balls bounce in front of them, getting hit in the back with relay throws, losing 19 games in a row, trying out professional softball pitchers, and Buddy Bell saying, "It can always get worse."

When I started covering baseball here, the more I heard and saw how bad things were -- from people both inside and outside the organization -- the more I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a movement that was pretty clearly moving the right way.

But 33 months is long enough.

If nothing else, Dayton will always be the guy who took the Royals from Lou Brown's Indians to a legitimate big league franchise.

That's great and all, but Dayton and his people have always talked about more than that. They talk about division championships and playoff games and the World Series.

What they're doing internationally and in the draft and in the minor league system will ultimately have a lot more to do with whether Dayton and his people leave here as winners or because they were fired.

What they're doing now, with Willie Bloomquist* and Doug Waechter and even Jose Guillen can be looked at as merely the bridge to a time when the middle of the Royals are self-sustaining and the middle of their lineup is Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas.

* Thought about making this its own post, but here goes: I still don't understand the uproar over this. The Royals aren't building a franchise around Willie Bloomquist. They're bringing him in at a relatively cheap price to be, at the very least, a backup shortstop who can play other positions, too.

Maybe he pushes Alberto Callaspo, maybe not. But if you run the roster numbers, it's pretty clear this is the likely end of Tony Pena Jr.'s time in Kansas City. After all the complaining about Pena last year, I guess I'm surprised that this is greeted with such outrage.

Look, most teams don't need to give out two-year contracts to Willie Bloomquist. Most teams can find a guy who can't hit but can play multiple positions in their minor league system.

If the Royals had someone like that, then Deric Ladnier wouldn't have been fired and Pena wouldn't have been on the big league roster all of last year. The Royals minor league system is much better at the lower levels now, but at the top, it's still pretty dry.

I realize I'm on the opposite side of this than Joe and Rany, and that's usually not a good side, but I really don't see a relatively low-cost move to make sure Pena and his 7 OPS+ (!!!) are no longer getting 225 at bats (!!!) as the move that will stop the Royals from improving.

But until Hosmer and Moustakas and the other draft picks from the last few years either succeed or fail, the only thing we can judge is what's happening at the big league level.

That's why this upcoming season is so important, and why 2010 will be even more important.

The Royals will either get to around .500 this season and then, with a few tweaks, compete for the division next year, or they will fall off.

It's still too early to judge Dayton's regime as anything other than the group that (at least temporarily) ended the Royals' misery.

But it's getting closer to that time where we can make informed and real judgments.

Nobody in Kansas City will be happy if 75 wins is the best that comes of this.

The honeymoon is over.

The real marriage is beginning -- for better, for worse, in Joakim times and in Gload.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on January 14, 2009 - 11:43am.
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Submitted by charlie on January 21, 2009 - 12:25pm.

I'm not a big fan of the BABIP rate. Here's an interesting article:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/a-quick-look-at-four-hitting-rates/

Anyhow, Even in taking into account the stats you mention, Bloomquist is more comparable to Eckstein than to Burke. Heck, Esteban German is a stud next to Burke... What I believe may have caused them to get their cheap deals is that with the Royals out of the running for a utility, the drop in demand drove the salary down. That is not to say that GMDM may have overpaid, but Bloomquist's role is not that of a Barry Larkin or A-Rod, so his numbers are adequate for his role as is the fact that he can play six or seven positions. His OBP is more likely to be in the neighborhood of .310 and his lack of extra-base hitting may not necessarily be a function of his abilities but of when and where he hits/plays. UtilitY-if's are also pinch-hitters and are called upon to move runners over and keep an inning alive, not necessarily to hit aggressively. I believe that Eckstein would have created competition at SS or 2b (which would leave the utility slot with a hole) and Eckstein is not a good enough upgrade at ss/2b to warrant upending the applecart. Both Callaspo's and Aviles numbers are good enough to keep them as starters, so the question becomes: Of the utilities who are not likely starters, who was the best optiion? Bloomquist appears well suited for the job.

Now, the spending on the pitching, that's another matter.

Submitted by bobtelos on January 21, 2009 - 9:37pm.

One year's sample is not enough. Projection systems take into account multiple years, hitting environment, regression, age, etc. All that I've seen have Ecksteina nd Burke better.

But that's almost beside the point. And you make the point yourself -- Bloomquist is a bench player, 31 with little or not upside. Yet your point just shows how stupid giving him 2/$3M is, because in less playing time, any (non-existent in reality) advantage he might have as a player is even more marginal.

Eckstein signed a one-year deal for half the salary. Chris Burke, far better on defense and projected as as good0or-slightly better on offense -- well, who cares about that -- he signed a minr-league deal. If Burke crashes and burns, so what, it's not big loss. But if Bloomquist turns out to be as bad as Willie Bloomquist, then, well the Royals are stuck with his salary for a couple of years. Money that could have been spent on more cheap players who were as good or better. Or other things more useful than Willy Bloomquist, like Tony Pena, Sr.' s Manager of the Year trophy.

Just like they're stuck with Ross Gload's contract.

Or Jose Guillen's (another DMGM "win now signing that won't help the team win now" Special).

Or Kyle Farnsworth's.

Again, the challenge: find an expert that doesn't work for the Royals or the Star (or who isn't related to Dayton Moore or that idiot who wrote Scout's Honor) who thinks Dayton Moore had a good offseason. Or simply that the Bloomquist signing was a smart one.

Submitted by charlie on January 22, 2009 - 9:50am.

Personally, I'm not aa fan of Burke. He does not hit. Period. Eckstein hits a little more than Bloomquist. Not that I think the world of Wee-Willie, but if you look at our recent seasons, we start ok, fall appart at the middle and close strong. Guys like Bloomquist can fill more holes and in his case he plays good SS/2B and CF. Now, did we overpay? Probably, but only by $200K/yr. As to his being a "bench player", I believe that he probably has the same ailment as Gload. He gets too many AB's and his numbers start going down, but over a short stretch, both can be helpful. At 1.4/1.7 million/year in '09/'10, he can also serve as trade bait in late summer. More importantly, he can help without threatening the Aviles/Callaspo tandem, who I think will continue to hit around .300 each and ensures tht TPJr has no chance to occupy a roster spot. Also, his signing make both "Iron-glove" German's and Gload's future with the Royals more tenuous. I'm not saying that it is a great signing, but I can understand what they're apparently trying to do.

As far as Guillen is concerned, he really should be in a team that can create better hitting opportunities for him. Here, he's lacked sufficient protection for him to get a steady diet of fastballs. (But in reality, who would you have signed back then that wouldhave agreed to come here then?) That is part of the reason a place so much importance on Seitzer's arrival. If you look at the KC Royals of recent vintage, all the teams have been hackers. Awful OBP, self inflicted inning-killing AB's, you name it they've done it. It can't be that "The K" is a magnet for all bad hitters and that once they leave they improve (Berroa). It has to be an ideological issue.

Kyle Farnsworth is a repackaged Tomko and while he may have some uses, I would rather have another younger arm in the bullpen. But if you get down to it, we have re signed Jimmy Gobble, so nothing surprises me anymore.

Submitted by charlie on January 19, 2009 - 3:23pm.

While I don't see Farnsworth as a great signing, it has become obvious that GMDM likes to have a fireballer in the bullpen. He had Tomko before and now we have Farnsworth. Having an intimidator in your back pocket is convenient, although I agree that this one comes with a pretty hefty price tag.

I alos think that GMDM sees the Royals terrible OBP as a philosophical issue and not a more ingrained problem. Thus the signing of Kevin Seitzer as hitting coach. If he's right, there are several players who should have a marked improvement. Otherwise, we'l still come close to .500 That is why i believe that the most important Royal in Spring Training is Seitzer and that a lot of our season will hinge on the degree of success that he can accomplish with our hitters.

As to the super-sub issue: Bloomie is pretty much on the par with Eckstein and not with Chris Burke as last year's numbrs indicate:
Name BA OBP SLG
Bloomquist .279 .377 .285
Eckstein .265 .343 .349
Burke: .194 .310 .273

While I'm not saying that Bloomquist is the answer, he's an improvement over the past and he can also play the OF. If he plays true to form, he'll be a solid contributor.

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on January 20, 2009 - 1:10am.

With last year's aberrant .377 OBP from Bloomquist, his career OBP was brought up to .322. I have a feeling that Bloomquist didn't suddenly learn how to get on base. His BABIP has been a ridiculous .338 for the past two seasons, which is more than likely unsustainable, as every projection would tend to agree that has him with a BABIP in the .310 to .315 range. When combined with the fact that he only had one extra-base hit last year, I'd say we're due for an especially wasteful $1million+ spent this season and next.

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Submitted by charlie on January 16, 2009 - 9:17am.

With a 25 man roster, and the beggining of the season, most teams go with a 4-man rotation and a 5 man bullpen(1 long reliever/spot starter, 2 medium relievers a set-up man and a closer). My seeing a 6 man BP responds directly to my expectation of high pitch-counts by the 6th inning.

The 5-man bench still leaves room for one more player in the 25 man roster (9 in lineup, 5 in bench and 10 pitchers) because I'd like to see us sign Ben Sheets, which would make us a much better team overnight and slide all our starter back one notch. German is preferable to TPJr, and the reason I keep him on (and trust me I'd jettison him today if I could) is because in my scheme, I'd like to be able to replace both ss and 2b (let'ssay a 14 inning game)without having to play someone there who is not used to it. German can play both with reasonable skill, yet Willie is a better overall contributor. Otherwise, Waechter (P) or Gload can fit there but it'll be hard to spread out the AB's with Gload, whereas with Waechter, we can sspread the pitching load and our relievers will be able to pitch harder for slightly shorter outings. The other option would be to look for a pinch-hitting/pinch-runner specialist to do nothing but that. If Butler was a terrific hitter and could run the bases, that could be his role.

In my book, Billy Butler should not be allowed near a fielder's glove. It just is not healthy for a team's w-l record, but he was drafted as a 3-b and has fielded at 1-b. Given our bench depth at both positions(Teahen/Bloomquist @ 3b along with Shealy at 1-b), he'd be our disaster fielder @ either position. Personally, I like Teahen and Shealy as hitters a lot more than I like Butler and Gload and would rather keep them.

I don't believe we should bring up Moose for good either, but if he progresses to 3-A, he should be a end of season call-up to get his first glimpse of MLB pitching and to acclimate him to the liklihood of his coming up in 2011. Particularly because I believe that Billy Butler and/or Ross Gload will get traded to a contender needing an extra bat and in the event that our 1-b situation continues unsettled, we could then move Gordon to 1b, put Moose at 3b and potentially improve our hitting and fielding overnight.

I think that GMDM is trying to build from within and his moves are all designed to give our players in the pipeline time to develop while at the same time improving the team to a point of respectability. The roster I'm looking at is based on what we have. I'd have rather have DM get Omar Vizquel (to school Aviles/Callaspo on fielding)over Bloomquist, but I get his reasoning... I'm surprised you didn't question my selection of Horacio Ramirez and/or Jimmy Gobble over other candidates, but Horacio has a lot of potential and Gobble could get us a couple of close wins early in the season that could make a difference in September.

Submitted by jtuck123 on January 16, 2009 - 11:42am.

...I like your posts. They make sense. They offer insight and it kinda looks like you know what you're talking about.

Anyway, my only question after reading all 18 new comments from everyone was about Jimmy Gobble. What do you see in Jimmy that could lead to becoming a contending team? I see a roster spot eaten up for starters. I see a player who gave up 10 runs in an inning. (correct me if I'm wrong...) He's a good guy, a likeable guy, he had potential and he may still have. But I think he's nearing the end of his tenure with the Royals. He's been here for six years and really hasn't "wow"ed me or made me consider keeping him on the payroll...then again I'm not the GM and I don't make those decisions.
JT

Submitted by charlie on January 16, 2009 - 12:12pm.

Five years ago, Jimmy Goble was hyped for his potential. John Sickels wrote:
"A classic lefty, he works with a fastball timed between 87 and 92 mph. He has a very promising curveball, and a changeup that is an out-pitch on its best days. Gobble's control is generally very good, and he showed a lot of confidence in his major league debut, changing speeds well.

He sometimes gets in the habit of nibbling on the corners, but at his best he can work both the inside and outside corners with precision. His mechanics occasionally get out of whack, and when that happens he leaves pitches up in the strike zone. Gobble has a little hitch at the start of his delivery, but it doesn't seem to stress his arm, and helps hide the ball and deceive the hitter. A solid overall athlete, he moves well on the mound, and is an alert fielder."

FoxSports says this: "Gobble works off a low-90s, moving fastball to set up hitters for either his outstanding curveball or a well-disguised changeup. All three pitches are above average, but he sometimes falls into a rut of overusing one pitch. Gobble's delivery needs constant fine-tuning; he'll occasionally rush his delivery and stride too much, which takes velocity off his fastball and dulls the break on his curve. So far he hasn't been able to go deep into starts very often, and he's still developing stamina to go a full season without wearing down. Gobble is homer-prone for a pitcher who doesn't fan a lot of hitters, and mixing his pitches better would keep hitters more off-balance. His pitches have little lateral movement and thus far he's been hit well by both left- and righthanded hitters."

Today, he's essentially a one or two at-bat specialist and if the Royals were deeper at lefty relievers, he'd be gone. He certainly is on the bubble. He should consider expanding his repertoire with a sinker, a slider and a screwball to go along his 3-pitch selection. Even if he doesn't fully comand them, if he can release them from the same slot and with a similar motion, he should improve his stats and chances of sticking around.

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on January 15, 2009 - 8:54pm.

The string of acquisitions this offseason have me feeling a bit conflicted. I actually really like the Crisp trade, even if Crisp performs at the lowest offensive capacity he showed in Boston as his defense should make up for things (provided he is not batting leadoff with those numbers). While Jacobs haters are not without their justified grounds in disliking the move in light of Moore's OBP statements and its potential blocking of Ka'aihue, they like to cite last year's offensive numbers as gospel. He was one of the ten unluckiest players in baseball in BABIP (per Hardball Times new xBABIP work) and the fact remains that Kila is untested to say the least. Having a serviceable DH would be nice. Waechter should be fine and worth more than his contract.

As for the rest of their acquisitions, they are not particularly good. If Bloomquist were to only be a super-utility guy, then his signing would be fine but the money paid to him over two years is simply too much, especially when Eckstein and Chris Burke signed for next to nothing (and Burke was a minor league deal, I believe). Signing Farnsworth in theory could work, but he was signed for WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Horacio Ramirez's contract is absurd, regardless of what role he fills. His extension of Olivo's contract was somewhat questionable, even if Buck cannot be their everyday shortstop.

Moore has bettered the Royals over the course of his tenure. I'm not sure that he has bettered the Royals this offseason, and the Royals true shortcomings do not seem to have been appropriately addressed this offseason. They've probably been exacerbated.

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Submitted by Otis26 on January 16, 2009 - 10:15am.

Most of your comments are sound...but personally I believe this team IS better than last year. If Jacobs had been a Royal in '08 and put up the numbers he did for the Marlins do you think this team would be .500? I do, even without Nunez who was injured for a good portion of the season anyway.

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on January 19, 2009 - 1:41am.

My main contention is that many of the moves the Royals have made this offseason seem to lack prudence and a focus on the issues that need to be fixed. Obviously, OBP is an issue. You need to get on base to score runs. The Royals are averse to walking and did not bring in players to address that issue. They also spent money somewhat recklessly on the free agent market when other players who might address the Royals shortcomings more appropriately. Bloomquist was not a necessary signing when Eckstein and Chris Burke signed for less money and a shorter term and are better options in the middle infield. They handed Kyle Farnsworth an extremely reckless contract, and while I still hope he can pan out for them the recent track record does not warrant the paycheck regardless of whether he performs to the value of the contract given to him.

While the moves may have made them slightly better that is mostly in trading Ramon Ramirez for Coco Crisp and overpaying for added depth in certain areas. I do not know that committing to guys like Willie Bloomquist for the 2010 season actually helps them in two seasons.

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Submitted by bobtelos on January 19, 2009 - 10:32am.

"I do not know that committing to guys like Willie Bloomquist for the 2010 season actually helps them in two seasons."

It doesn't.

Submitted by Otis26 on January 15, 2009 - 8:25pm.

and the Royals are significantly better than they were when he took over. I don't think anyone can argue that point. Not only are they better but all indications are that the infrastructure is being re-built to support long-term growth.

How fickle we are as fans. Five years ago you wouldn't have gotten three responses to a Royals column and if you did it would be about how many homers we could get out of Reggie Freaking Sanders or the best treatment for finger blisters.

This organization was in a coma and some of you expect DM to be JC and resurrect the franchise overnight on a shoestring budget. As of today the Royals are the best-run franchise in Kansas City...and when did you think you'd ever say that?

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on January 15, 2009 - 9:01pm.

I don't think it is any stretch of the imagination to call Scott Pioli the most sought after/highly touted next GM from the organization that is closest thing the NFL has had to a dynasty in at least twelve years. As of today, things are looking up for the Chiefs. And turnarounds can happen a lot faster in the NFL with a salary cap and non-guaranteed contracts.

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Submitted by Otis26 on January 16, 2009 - 10:10am.

Pioli is just a name right now and the entire Chiefs infrastructure is still in place. The Royals are a better run organization right now. Not to dig on the Chiefs...but the point is that this organization is significantly better that it was pre-DM and though I don't agree with all his moves we are moving ahead.

Submitted by bobtelos on January 15, 2009 - 6:29pm.

David Eckstein, one of the most overrated players of our time, but one who is nonetheless better than Wee Willie Ballgame, just signed for 1 year, only $1M guaranteed with the Padres, who are hardly expected to be contenders.

Getting the picture yet?

Was Willie Bloomquist an Atlanta farmhand in a past life or something?

Submitted by bobtelos on January 15, 2009 - 2:18pm.

in a thread commenting on this entry:

http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/1/15/724728/the-honeymoon-is-over#comments

" Chris Burke signed a minor-league deal with the Padres

I realize people will go to fangraphs and see below replacement level for the last two years as a bench player — small sample size.

However, his defense at 2B and OF is much better than Bloomquists, and CHONE has his bat better, too.

Most importantly, it was a minor-league deal.

That, Sam Mellinger, et. al. is the kind of deal you give to a replacement level player (and one who projects to be signficantly better than Bloomquist)"

couldn't agree more

see the point? minor league deal or 2/$3 for the same production (if Willie gets lucky)?

Submitted by charlie on January 15, 2009 - 11:24am.

You're right. He's a righty. Got him mixed up w/Bales. Still, he ended the year in an impressive manner. Here's Kyle Davies three starts in september of 2008:
9/15: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 8 K
9/20: 7 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 1 BB, 3 K
9/26: 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 8 K

Should he be able to build on that, we could be seeing a strong adjustment to our rotation as Banny is pushed into the 4th starter slot.

I consider our hitting coach to be the most important member of the offensive because he must instill into these players the idea that a BB will move a runner as well as a single and without the possibility of a forced-out. KC was awful at both getting walks and forcing pitchers into high pitch-counts early. This is important because if a starter who is slated to go 6 to 7 innings and 100 to 110 pitches gets to that pitch-count in five innings, the opposing manager has a choice of upending his game plan or leaving the starter out there in hopes that he can work through it. As we've seen from prior seasons, what happens more often than not is that the starter gets lit up and the manager has to then bring in a reliever that is not properly warmed up and tends to get wecomed with a hard-hit ball. Happened to the Royals a lot in the last decade. Now, it can be our turn.

Submitted by bobtelos on January 15, 2009 - 11:09am.

Well done, as always, in getting your thoughts across in a readable and enjoyable manner. I realize that you have to be generous in somehow giving Moore credit not only for Meche and Soria, but for Greinke, Aviles, DeJesus etc. (who were much bigger factors than the others) so that you won't get banned from Kauffman by the always-open-to-criticism franchise.

I don't want to get into every last detail. But there are two reasons that you keep missing the issue Bloomquist.

1) You seem not to understand the concept of "replacement level" in context. I can simply recommend that you read up on it some more.

2) More importantly, it shows that Dayton Moore doesn't understand replacement level. In other words, by itself, the Bloomquist signing isn't the end of the world (although it is moronic, it's not as bad as the everyone-saw-it-coming Guillen signing, Farnsworth, etc.). What is frustrating is what it says about Dayton Moore's outlook in general and whether we can expect him to understand player value on the market. So far, it's pretty clear he doesn't (Meche can't make up for a multitude of other sins). As Rany gets at, he seems like another "good baseball man" (and being a relative pretty boy doesn't hurt) who doesn't have a clue on the FA market, but is so nice, smart, and has such a good rep that he can sweet talk the local media into believing he knows what he's doing. And hey, the Braves were good a few years ago!

But who knows, maybe every single expert out there is wrong. The Royals do need to "win now," and maybe Bloomquist, Horacio Ramirez, and Jose Guillen can help with that. Heck, Billy Bavasi thought so.

Submitted by jtuck123 on January 15, 2009 - 1:38pm.

...I'm not quite sure if they are going to use him as a replacement for anybody...He will probably go in as a defensive backup like TPJ and Esteban German. I don't think he's here to have a starting position. The cool thing about replacement value is the essential that someone else will be replaced. I think Bloomquist is a stop-gap until a 2B guy or a SS comes around in the minors, not a starter.
JT

Submitted by charlie on January 15, 2009 - 4:14pm.

C: Miguel Olivo
1B: Mike Jacobs
2B: Alberto Callaspo
3B: Alex Gordon
SS: Mike Aviles
LF: David DeJesus
CF: Coco Crisp
RF:Jose Guillen
DH:Ryan Shealy

Bench:
Billy Butler (3b, 1b, dh)
Mark Teahen (3b, rf, lf, 1b, dh)
Willie Bloomquist (Utility)
Esteban German (Utility)
John Buck (C, 1b, dh)
I don't see Bloomquist as a replacemnt but more of a complement. (Esteban German is the only other available utility infielder although I believe that if Teahen could play 2b decently enough in a pinch , Gload might make the team instead of German)

Rotation:
#1: Gil Meche
#2: Zack Greinke
#3: Brian Bannister
#4: Kyle Davies

Bullpen:
LR: Luke Hochevar
Horacio Ramirez
Ron Mahay
Kyle Farnsworth
Jimmy Gobble
Joaquim Soria

This is not a fearsome squad, but it should give an opposing pitcher a bit of trouble throughout. In the AL Central, it shows some promise as no team can be considered "dominant".

Considering that Moose should be called up this year, I think that Billy Butler or Teahen will be traded during the season and, unless Shealy hits like a war criminal, a decision will have to be made on moving Gordon to dh to play Moose at 3b in 2010.

Submitted by KCSuzy on January 16, 2009 - 12:32am.

I'm a little perplexed. You're suggesting a 4 man starting rotation and 5 guys on the bench? I really don't think it's necessary to keep German or Pena after signing Bloomquist.
Not only that, but can you honestly see Billy being able to adequately play 3B for more than 1 play? Billy (in my mind) is a 1B/DH, and I would have to worry if Trey/Dayton even thought of putting Billy at 3B.
Not only that, but Moustakas was in A ball last year. It wouldn't be a very smart thing for us to put him in the majors after 1 year of pro baseball. I think if anything, we need to take it slow with Moustakas and Hosmer.
Believe me, I'm not trying to bash you, I'm just trying to see where you're coming from.

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on January 15, 2009 - 7:29pm.

Moose is still a little ways away. Optimistically 2010, much more likely 2011. He finished the season in A-ball at Burlington.

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Submitted by charlie on January 15, 2009 - 12:46pm.

If you consider that we were looking for Orlando Hudson at a lot more money, David Eckstein at more money and Furcal for a mint, Wee Willie is not a bad, albeit almost pricey, option.

In 2007, Seattle manager Mike Hargrove said that what part of what makes Bloomquist valuable as a utility man. And that means that Bloomquist, who has a .375 average in his last 14 starts with eight runs scored and seven RBIs, will continue to play at about the same rate as in the past.

"The whole thing about Willie is that he does his job every day," Hargrove said. "My experience in the last 2 1/2 seasons is that Willie is best when he plays in spurts. And that's the definition of a utility player.

In 2006, The Seatle Pilot said of Bloomquist while evaluating FA's: "WILLIE BLOOMQUIST, IF/OF
ROLE: Utility player
REPORT: Good athlete. ... Jack-of-all-trades. ... Can play anywhere in the infield or outfield. ... Knows the game. ... Makes contact, takes the ball the other way, runs the bases extremely well. ... Invariably shows up in the middle of a rally. ... Lacks the pop to hold up on an everyday basis."

At hleast he's not a prima dona demanding X or Y amount of playing time...

Considering that TPJr has an abysmal obp, and that Estaban German has been almost ready for years, Wee Willie is a step up and may be also the death knell for TPJr, Esteban German and the other 4-A Royal Shane Costas (if he's still around).

Personally, if the Royals were looking for help up the middle and a strong challenge to Callaspo, I would have signed Omar Vizquel; but Wee Willie will do well coming off the bench and can give GMDM some flexibility on those last few roster cuts.

Submitted by bobtelos on January 16, 2009 - 10:43am.

Nice work, Dayton Moore. The Bavasiest Way to Build Baseball Team.

Submitted by charlie on January 16, 2009 - 11:55am.

Eckstein is an older (34) starting 2b/SS and hit .265 splitting time between Arizona (.219)and Toronto (.277). and while Aviles is not very experienced at the MLB level (one full season) he is the starting SS and hit .325. Hudson might make some sense since Callaspo was not our starting 2-b in '08, but Callaspo's numbers (.305 BA in '08 and .266 career) are enticing enough to give him a good chance at producing over a full season.

What I expect to see in 2b is some competiton since Callaspo and German have both been busy playing winter ball. Callaspo's hit 303/366/393/759 with 22 BB's and 11 K's in 54 games in Puerto Rico is typical ofhis approach, while German's 344/459/465/924 with 31 BB's and 27 K's at the Dominican Republic has been unusual for what we've seen at "The K". Should these numbers carry into spring training, and making allowances for the pitching we should see some improvement in the lineup from this position. As it stands right now, Barring unforeseen injuries or deaths, I have a better chance of hitting powerball on Saturday than TPJr has of making the Royals roster.

We certainly can spend that Orlando Hudson/Adam Dunn money elsewhere... Can you say "Ben Sheets, Oliver Perez or Randy Wolf?

Submitted by Old Man Duggan on January 15, 2009 - 7:33pm.

Orlando Hudson was a lot more money because he's offensively competent and arguably the best defensive second baseman in the game. The complaints arise with the Bloomquist signing when we think about sitting through a season in which it is Willie Bloomquist getting a Gloadian amount of at-bats. I'm not sold on Callaspo actually working out, and I'm not sure that Hudson would have signed anyway, but there are better free agent middle infielders if one needed to be signed.

Old Man Duggan at Royalscentricity

Submitted by charlie on January 16, 2009 - 11:27am.

Granted... But had we waited to sgn for chump-change, we might have lost out on signing a versatile player who can be a utility as well as play for short stretches and steal bases. I think he just creates some roster flexibility. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Chris Burke hit .194 and Bloomquist hit .279. O Hudson hits a more than Wee-Willie, and is a gold glove fielder. You still have to look at the money and by his spending to address several needs instead of signing OH, or Adam Dunn, GMDM may be trying to make the team as a whole better.

I also feel that the jury is still out on Callaspo, but He's produced well at every level he's played, so I feel that if we look at his career .320 BA over 153 games, and realize that he's 25 and not yet near his prime, he's more likely to be productive than not.

My basic problem with Aviles(.978 Fpct)/Callaspo (.982 Fpct) is that neither is known for having great range and eventually both must rely on pre-positioning themselves to reach some groundballs. Aviles also has a very low number of BB's and should benefit from the new hitting coach's philosophy... Aviles also played winter ball where he hit above .300, so I'm not too bothered if his sophomore jinx BA goes down a bit as long as he makes up for it on OBP and his RBI and extra-base production do not suffer.

I lookes, around and Bloomquist was the best option at what he does. If he could catch, he'd be ideal...

The key will still be the effect that Kevin Seitzer has on the hitting approach and plate discipline of several of the Royal's hitters. Teahen might improve quite a bit by learning to approach his AB's situationally, as would Guillen.

What I'd like to see is a comparison of the Royals, both position by position, and the rest of the division as they currently stand. I don't think that we'd fare too badly.

Submitted by howboutthemcowboys on January 14, 2009 - 11:47pm.

charlie, perhaps you mis-wrote. kyle davies isn't a lefty, at least not the last time i checked ;)

Submitted by steak on January 14, 2009 - 11:10pm.

Finally a pragmatic response to this nonsense from J, R, & R. Since when did Royals fans expect to go to the playoffs three years into Moore's tenure?

Submitted by charlie on January 14, 2009 - 8:27pm.

I agree that the Royals are still a work in progress, but take the Yankee's ability to get cash and they aren't a better organization than KC.

Let's look at the acquisitions that will be key this year:

Mike Jacobs: He will make both Gordon and Jose Guillen look better because a pitcher facing Gordon will already be worrying about this all or nothing hitter on deck. Guillen will get better AB's because the pithcher will emotionally let off a bit after putting away Jacobs, or will be a bit rattled by one of his hard-hit balls. Either way, I look forward to better AB's in the meat of the lineup.

Coco Crisp: Not too wild about him, but when my points of reference are guys like Willie Wilson, Carlos Beltran and Matty Alou (I was a Pirate's fan in the early 70's), that sets a pretty high bar. Crisp brings real speed with a bat that knows how to get on base and a glove that will make Guillen a better fielder. Down side of Coco is that my niece probably has a better arm than he does.

Gil Meche: Gill is a "hard-luck" pitcher. Some of his better outings come in losing causes, but I believe that in '09, he may actually have a good (15 wins) year. If Greinke or Davies have breakout years, I'd be more optimistic, but Meche is usually matched against the opponent's best pitcher.

Alberto Callaspo: I like Alberto's minor league stats as well as his MLB performance. I look for him to get past his "opening night" season and perform as he's done at every level. SEriously, this guy could be a very good bat and might pose a problem as to where to hit him at. His fielding is decent, but having in Aviles another "decent" fielder, I'm hoping that they stay focused and place themselves situationally on the field in order to maximize their pedestrian range. Overall, I think we'll be set at 2b for quite a while.

Shealy: This guy is a Jekyll & Hyde character. We got him from Colorado where he was billed as a great hitter and he did well for a bit, got hurt and then sucked like a quasar... Then, after languishing in the minors for a year, where he was hittiing well, he came up in September and hit like he belonged in Boston's lineup. He makes the picture at dh a bit murky because he hits for power, is a decent fielder at 1b and the of and he is a better than average baserunner. Should he carry his performance into spring training, I see Billy Butler in another team's uniform... Maybe in San Diego.

Willie Bloomquist: I wasn't too keen on Wee-willie, but I believe now that he was the best player available at the time. Yes. This will be sayonara for TPJr, but it has been a drawn out farewell. Pena needs to learn how to manage his AB's... He swings more than the entire population at the zoo's monkey exhibit. Willie can play most of the IF and the outfield. I'd also venture a guess that Esteban German is gone too. That guy's had so many chances it has ceased to be funny.

Olivo: This guy is basically a slightly better player than Buck. I'm not sold yet on him being the answer, but if you take his numbers and expand them to a full season (130 to 140 games), it becomes enticing. Buck could call a game, but I uncerstand that Olivo is not a big dropoff.

Kyle Davies: Lefty starter. Lots of upside on this guy who gave us a glimpse of his capabilities at the end of last season. If he continues to pitch like that, he'll be a key part of our rotation.

Brian Bannister: Crafty pitcher brought in the trade for Ambriotix Burgos who last was heard to be arrested in the DR for vehicular manslaughter. In my book, He'll be a killer in a rotation of 1-Meche, 2-Greinke, 3-Davies/Hochevar, 4- Bannister. While he lacks real velocity, he knows how to upset hitter's timing and he's much better than most #3's and should be able to compete in a condition of advantage.

There's more, but if you look up the 40 man roster and pare it back to the 25 man opening day roster, you may be pleasntly surprised with a team that is not only pretty decent on the lineup card, but one with enough depth to ensure that we should not suffer terribly from most trips to the DL.

We really don't have a weak position. Catcher is the one that most approximates that and I would love it if we were to sign Pudge Rodriguez for his farewell tour as he could catch and DH for some 90 to 120 games. A rested Ivan Rodriguez is an asset in any lineup.

I like what GMDM has wrought on a shoestring budget. I believe that, with a few bounces falling our way, and considering the general weakness of the AL Central, we could contend for the Division in '09, but a more conservative objective would be to break .500.

Submitted by dsmith84 on January 14, 2009 - 3:49pm.

So we have averaged a 7.5 win increase over the last two seasons, and people around baseball are remarking at how well Moore is infusing the organization with talent.

So let me get this straight. Our Major League team is getting better AND our organization as a whole is getting better too? and people are complaining and giving lots of "what if" scenarios?

We added a guy who hit 32 homers in a pitcher's park for under 5 million? (Jacobs is Adam Dunn without the walks and with half the salary)
We added a REAL centerfielder to allow our best overall hitter to play his natural position and improve our overall outfield defense and inject some speed into the lineup? (Coco Crisp is the first speed guy who can get on base over 30% of the time we have had in quite awhile, and with DeJesus in left and Guillen in right we have two good range guys and a guy with a cannon of an arm...)
We signed a proven set up man who is not afraid to throw inside and intimidate other hitters? (Farnsworth ups our pitching "swagger" by like 100%)
We actually will have a tough roster decision beyond who the 25th man will be? (Where does Teahen fit? What about Gload? German? Butler? Bloomquist? Callaspo?)
We have some type of reasonable depth at every position on the field? (most of it courtesy of Mark Teahen, but the other gentlemen listed above are all at least decent depth at some position)

This all sounds better than the previous 3 years of royals baseball.

Stop focusing on "what if" and the guys we didn't get, and look at the roster we have to realize that top to bottom this is the best product we have put on the field in several years, and that should be encouraging.

I say 82 Wins, 80 Losses, and I will be pretty freaking excited about it.

Submitted by AxDxMx on January 14, 2009 - 2:09pm.

On the one hand, TPJ is gone. On the other, Bloomquist scares me like the Jacobs acquisition. I don't think Callaspo is being given a chance. I think Wee Willie Ballgame was brought in to take his spot, and I don't agree with that. If Bloomquist is the Super Sub over German, that I can live with. But I've grown to distrust Trey Hillman's managing of games and Dayton Moore's lip service to OBP. To be fair Willie had good OBP last year, but also is the all time leader for most hits with only one extra base hit. We basically got a Joey Gathright that can play any position.

Submitted by jtuck123 on January 15, 2009 - 9:40am.

...but what's so bad about having Joey Gathright in the infield? Joey could play all three outfield positions with no power but plenty of speed...Bloomquist can play middle infield where we lack depth and talent. I believe that the Joey Gathright's, Ross Gload's and Alberto Callaspo's have a place in Major League Baseball...I just don't think they have a justified place on the Royals roster...
JT

Submitted by Karte on January 14, 2009 - 1:50pm.

Finally, someone is talking sense on this subject! I was beginning to wonder if evil villain Captain Cranky had flown over KC and poisoned every waterhole with Unfounded Anger Dust!

Seriously, the farm team must be rebuilt from the ground up. In all the moves GMDM has made, he has made sure that he is NOT depleting the farm system. All of the trades and signings this year are stop-gaps until the farm system produces.

At the same time, we will have a competitive ball-club. Not contending perhaps, but competitive. What more can you ask after 2.5 years, considering where he started?

Submitted by cpass on January 14, 2009 - 12:04pm.

And not with Rany and Joe (or Rob either, for that matter). Dayton Moore said he wanted changes NOW, and he made them. But these guys are just a bridge until the Hosmers and Moustakases etc. of the organization are ready, at which time these bridge players will be gone. Instantaneous success in baseball is almost impossible to build without boatloads of cash); and until the farm system has been rejuvenated about all we can do is take what we can get and hope for the best.

And, for what it's worth, Craig Brown at Royals Authority agrees with you too. We are not alone.

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