Jose Guillen, Trey Hillman, and potential controversies

Trey Hillman is trying.

Oh, there've been plenty of problems with the Royals this season that may or may not delay/cancel a Royals' emergence under the current leadership.

Hillman has been cited as a significant part of those problems, because he's the manager, and also because of a feeling that he's losing/lost the clubhouse.

One of the main things you hear from some is that there's been one set of rules for Jose Guillen, and another for everyone else.

Well, in the last few weeks, maybe longer, Hillman has been a different guy. As Poz wrote in the column linked above, he's been closer to the star manager with enormous potential that Dayton Moore saw and loved and hired in Japan.

So, more or less, that's the context we're working with here.

Then comes last night, when Guillen was in the original lineup, batting third and playing right field.

Shortly before the first pitch, the Royals announced a different lineup, one that didn't include Guillen.

That's just the eighth game he's missed all season. Royals' media relations never announced a reason for Guillen being scratched, because they never heard one.

After the game, Hillman sure seemed to hint at some Guillen drama.

"I just made a late managerial decision to not play him," Hillman said.

When asked if Guillen was hurt, Hillman responded: "I just made a late managerial decision not to play him. The rest of it will stay in house. From me, at least. I just decided it was best not to play him."

Now, at that point, with the background of Guillen's eff-the-fans rant, the babies rant, the sometimes lackadaisical effort on the bases and in the outfield, the mind can't help but connect dots and find controversy.

So then Guillen is reached at home Tuesday night on his cell phone.

"Nothing," he says. "I was just not feeling good. I was sick."

Two or three more times in a short conversation, Guillen insists and assures that nothing's wrong, no drama, he just felt sick so he didn't play.

With how Hillman answered the postgame question, the easy thing to do is figure Guillen's covering something up.

Maybe he is. It certainly would seem strange for Hillman to be mysterious about something that's innocent.

It wouldn't be first time Guillen was a late scratch for something physical, but it would, I believe, be the first time he was a late scratch for something physical without an explanation given.

Either way, Guillen was convincing and sounded genuinely surprised that there'd be any question about why he didn't play.

Lying to cover something up like that is not his M.O. He's never done that.

When it comes to his words, his PR problems have come when he's TOO honest. There's an old line I heard about another ballplayer, his manager said, "He doesn't lie, even when he should." That's Guillen, too.

So now, assuming Guillen really was just sick, Royals fans are left wondering why Hillman answered the postgame questions that way, why he was mysterious, knowing better than anyone the questions it would create.

One thought is that it would benefit his public image among many fans if people thought he stood up to Guillen, but Hillman isn't sinister. For all the faults that some see in him, and we all have faults, nobody will say Hillman doesn't care.

Another thought is that he didn't want to let on to the Mariners that there was anything wrong physically with Guillen, so that the Mariners would need to prepare as if they'd face the Royals' home run and RBI leader.

I guess that's possible, that Hillman simply wanted to keep it quiet in the same way that Mark Mangino and Bill Snyder and Bill Belichick keep injuries or playing status quiet.

That would be a significant departure from baseball culture and the way Hillman has been all year, but it's something.

Maybe Guillen said he was sick and Hillman didn't believe him. Who knows.

(Again, assuming it was just a simple fever and weakness...) All this guessing could've been easily avoided if Hillman just said, "Hosey felt a little sick, he spent most of the game in the trainer's room and we'll re-evaluate tomorrow."

As it stands, it's very possible we would've had another half-day of speculation had Guillen not been reached late last night.

Hillman's made a lot of good adjustments recently, even his critics allow that.

But if he created a potential controversy with his outspoken and highest-paid player when the truth was both easy and innocent, he gave those critics another line on their list of valid complaints.

Then again, maybe Guillen's covering something up. At this point, there's no way to know for certain.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on September 17, 2008 - 8:06am.
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Submitted by Nate Greene on September 17, 2008 - 3:31pm.

Joe Po's column until it was linked here. Having read it, it seems to me that Hillman was completely blindsided by what a bunch of womanish, pansied cry-babies professional athletes have become in this country.

They STILL talk about being dressed down on the field during spring training? You've got to be kidding me. These guys sucked so bad last year at fundamentals they could pull a golf ball through a garden hose, and they are STILL sulking over getting yelled at in front of some fans 1500 miles from home? And yet they are still so bad the manager has to make a point that their ability to catch POP UPS has improved.

These players, who make gaffe after gaffe, who's highlight reel should have piano music behind it like from the keystone cops, have become a national laughing-stock. They hang their head and can't summon the strength to pull out of a no-hit induced stupor for 12 games. This is a team full of LOSERS who act like they DESERVE to have their bags and water and jocks carried for them, even by their manager. I honest to God don't know how Frank White summons the strength to watch them on a nightly basis.

Other than what I think is reasoned analysis of potential, I don't ever remember posting a bad thing about the Royals. I'm one of those guys who in my childhood hid my radio under my pillow at night so I could listen to the end of the west coast games. I have lived and breathed this team for nearly 40 years.

But this Joe Po column has iced this cake for me. How this group of 20+ a-holes, after the way they have wandered around like a bunch of butt-ugly beauty contestants who think they deserve to win the grand prize, thinks they have the right to get upset when Trey Hillman does anything short of walk out to second base and knee them in the balls is beyond me.

The attitude of the modern athlete is breaking me of sports. And that makes me very sad. Don't be surprised if Trey Hillman pulls a Bobby Valentine. Folks, there's a REASON he's not back in MLB.

Submitted by Nate Greene on September 17, 2008 - 4:17pm.

I like the assessment of Ross Gload as the new Pete LaCock; I always liked Pete. Of course, I always liked Bill Pecota too. Love guys who can get the most out of what is clearly limited ability.

The point: perhaps the reason that Shealy is performing well now is because he knew that he would have to EARN his way back to the bigs, irrespective of being the 'cornerstone' of the future. Perhaps he would have languished through another horrible summer in KC, knowing that he was going to get his at-bats no matter what, just based on his natural ability. The message he had to have gotten was "we would rather have a Ross Gload at first than the player you are now."

Is it such a shame to make a talented player earn his place?

Submitted by AxDxMx on September 17, 2008 - 1:26pm.

You know we aren't out to get Trey Hillman because of how he handles the clubhouse. We are out to get him for the dumb decisions he makes. Like telling the media Shealy/KK will PLATOON for the rest of the year, and since that day a week and a half ago, I don't know that KK has ever started at 1b (dh last night). Gload has multiple times though. Earlier in the year it was baserunning, calling for steals at extremely bad times, and lack of fundamentals. It's about playing Ross Gload at 1b all summer long when Butler could have gotten in work there. I mean it was obvious we weren't playoff caliber anyway, was he really going to hurt us that much?

A lot of stuff about Hillman bothers me, but I have to wonder if most of the problems were just Hillman pressing because the team was so bad. This power binge by Shealy has really helped Hillman into not making bad decisions, but the BEST decision was to start him at 1b over Gload. See what that does for your team? That's why this has been frustrating. It might help that we are playing 2 teams that suck about as bad as us though. Let's win out and build for next year.

Submitted by brenth on September 17, 2008 - 1:37pm.

Yes, I would like to know why the new Pete LaCock played 1B almost the entire year while Shealy has been stuck in AAA. That makes no sense, especially when the team is 3rd from last in runs scored in the league.

Submitted by baggio on September 17, 2008 - 1:00pm.

with your conclusion that lying is not Jose's m.o., Sammy. Hosie has been brutally honest (in his mind) because he hasn't had motivation not to be.

Tell his teammates they're babies, tell the fans what acts they should perform on themselves, and so on, and Guillen feels empowered by his "honesty." Get benched by a manager who is finally standing up to him, and now Guillen has motivation to lie: he doesn't want to be humiliated in public and before his peers.

Pride above honesty, I say, is at work here.

Submitted by TH on September 18, 2008 - 4:15pm.

Some guys get praise for being honest just because they love to stir the pot and shoot their mouth off. Pride and "being the center" is what really drives their behavior. When it ain't cool (in their mind), then they'll shut up. Jose has no redeeming character. This team should have had a players only meeting with Jose and beat the crap out of him.

Submitted by bfos7215 on September 17, 2008 - 10:59am.

And it still continues. When is he going to learn that keeping everything in the clubhouse doesn't help anything and alienates the fans?

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 17, 2008 - 11:19am.

...when he publicly calls out his team, he gets ripped for it. Is it just me or is everyone just out to get Hillman?
JT

Submitted by bangoskank on September 17, 2008 - 12:13pm.

To me it sounds like everyone is out to get Hillman. No matter what he does the fans get on his case about it.

That's Kansas City for you.

Submitted by dproyls on September 17, 2008 - 10:29am.

Trey Hillman all the way. Coming into this organization at this point is not exactly a dream job except that it is a Major League Manager's position. I believe that if we were all honest with ourselves at the beginning of the year we knew it would be a tough year. Especially for a relatively new manager. I am sure the environment here is a lot different than in Japan concerning the media, players, fans just to name a few. I don't know that we have the respect for individuals in his position of Manager or respect for the game like they do in Japan. We are too worried about numero uno and what we are getting out of the arrangement either as fans or players. Not that all fans or players are that way. Team chemistry in my opinion is huge, especially in baseball. I believe it starts at the very top, showing a desire to win by doing what it takes to make the Royals competitive. The manager also has a responsibility in this chemistry. I hope Trey puts this year behind him and uses it as a learning experience and stepping stone and comes back next year full of vim and vigor and just being himself, ready to lead this team in 2009!
dproyls

Submitted by cheapham on September 17, 2008 - 10:06am.

So, because Kansas City media and fans are finicky and over-reactionary...Hillman get's faulted? Seriously? I'm not sure if I've ever seen a more clear example of "making a mountain out of a mole hill." There obviously seems to be no problem here, so any "controversy" would have been completely the media's fabrication.

Get over yourselves.

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 17, 2008 - 9:00am.

Someone might wanna take a long look at this page...I think that 493 AB and 148 hits for David DeJesus equals a .300 batting average, not .200....
JT

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 17, 2008 - 8:54am.

I like Jose Guillen. His antics are a little over the top and most of the time I can't understand much of what he says. But, I'm gonna be brutally honest...Who Cares? Guillen was out for a game...whoop-tee-do...Credit for that should go to Hillman. Hopefully he did make a "executive" decision not to play him...Didn't seem to hurt the play on the field. If the Royals can win without Jose Guillen, more power to 'em...
JT

Submitted by bobtelos on September 17, 2008 - 2:10pm.

it's his suckiness at baseball. He hasn't been good since 2005. Well, he was a decent hitter last year, but was extremely lucky with BABIP. Even leaving that asid,e the problems hitting right-handed pitching was already there.

If people are concerned about the Guillen situation, they should leave the clubhouse alone. Considered in himself, Guillen has been one of the worst defensive corner outfielders in the game the past couple seasons, and as a hitter has been, at best, a platoon guy after 2005. Of more concern is that I, a schmoe on the Internet, can see this, and Dayton Moore, baseball lifer, either didn't see it or did and thought it was worth a $36 million contract. It's just one costly mistake. Let's not make it a pattern.

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 18, 2008 - 7:59am.

His suckiness? Compared to who? I'm sorry, but I'd take Guillen over Teahen, Gathright, Maier, Esteban German, Ross Gload and anybody else they would start in the outfield (besides DeJesus). And whoever thinks that they, a fan, are smarter than a GM, might want to reconsider their thinking processes. That's why DM is the GM and we aren't...
JT

Submitted by bobtelos on September 18, 2008 - 8:07am.

And guess what? Taken together, they don't make half as much as Jose Guillen.

Look at any decent stat -- Jose Guillen isn't even a league average hitter this year. Not a below-league-average hitting outfielder, but hitter. He's paid as if he was a good hitter. He hasn't even been average. Oh, yes, and every decent metric has him as one of the worst defensive corner outfielders in the game the last two years. Indeed, he's so bad that it almost completely eliminates his offensive advantage over Mark Teahen.

I didn't say I was smarter than Moore. But he made a bad acquisition that a lot of people said was bad, and those people were right. It's fine. People make mistakes. I just hope he realizes is was and why. I'm pretty sure Allard Baird would be a better GM than me, too, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize his moves. I guess I can't vote in the presidential election, either...

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 18, 2008 - 10:40am.

...I respectfully disagree...

"and every decent metric has him as one of the worst defensive corner outfielders in the game the last two years."

- Yeah, well I'm tired of really good defensive players who can't hit the ball...Mark Teahen, great defensively, not so hot with the bat...Tony Pena Jr., great with the glove and range, terrible with the bat...Joey Gathright, great with speed and defensive plays, terrible with the bat...Gload, great at 1B defensively, terrible with the bat...WE HAVE TOO MANY GOOD DEFENSIVE PLAYERS! We need the fair-to-poor defensive players who can smoke the ball. Defense may save a few games a year, but offense wins so many more.

"Indeed, he's so bad that it almost completely eliminates his offensive advantage over Mark Teahen." - I dare say Mark Teahen wouldn't agree with you...

"I didn't say I was smarter than Moore. But he made a bad acquisition that a lot of people said was bad, and those people were right." - Yeah, but there were a lot of people who said quite the opposite...One in particular that is coming to mind is the Seattle Mariners...

"I guess I can't vote in the presidential election, either..." - ??? Totally off subject man...If Dayton Moore had picked up no one in the offseason, I think he would have been getting more criticism than he is now. No matter what he does, if he doesn't win the World Series that year, he's gonna take all the blame...We could field little leaguers and they could lose every game and Dayton Moore could be a GM in Japan...somehow some Royals fans would still blame Moore...Can Dayton do anything right?
JT

Submitted by lakewoodroyal on September 18, 2008 - 8:42am.

That Moore over paid for a guy who led the team offensively for a good part of the season or that he's still holding onto players who suck?

I'm not willing to crown Dayton Moore anything other than a GM still trying to prove himself.

He's got a little ways to go yet.

Submitted by bobtelos on September 18, 2008 - 9:07am.

Guillen is, not even considering his David Kingman-level glove, the 7th best hitting Royal according to VORP. The other guys can be cut for impunity, and Moore couldn't get much back in trade for them anyway (Grudz got hurt before he could be traded, although he's been significantly more valuble, overall, than Guillen this year so far, despite that injury).

And now that it is apparent that Guillen sucks, he'll be very hard to trade without eating more of his salary than it is worth.

Frankly, Moore should be looking for the first guy dumb enough to take Guillen and his whole salary for a bag of balls (or another crappy Braves non-prospect, if he must) and free up the money for a guy who can actually hit, or something almost as valuble -- new furniture in the clubhose or something. Or draft picks.

I don't know how the Royals will get along without Guillen's almost .30 OBP and outstanding leadership skillz, but they'll find a way to persevere.

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 18, 2008 - 11:13am.

...For the sake of being monotonous, I won't say it again...

"Guillen is, not even considering his David Kingman-level glove, the 7th best hitting Royal according to VORP." - How many other players have 20 HRs? How many have 95 RBI? Screw VORP...who do you wanna replace Guillen with? Gload? German? We've already gone over this one...

"And now that it is apparent that Guillen sucks, he'll be very hard to trade without eating more of his salary than it is worth."
- Yeah, it's so apparent that he sucks...I mean look at his stats! Dude couldn't hit a double for his life! Couldn't drive in an RBI either...Terrible...

"(or another crappy Braves non-prospect, if he must)" - Like Kyle Davies, right?

"...and free up the money for a guy who can actually hit, or something almost as valuble -- new furniture in the clubhose or something. Or draft picks." - So you're saying that the money we would save wouldn't even buy a good bat, right? For starters, we would have to pay for a lot of his salary to trade him off, and that might not be the best idea for a $60 million/year ballclub...that would save us so much money that we could spend on furniture...

"I don't know how the Royals will get along without Guillen's almost .30 OBP and outstanding leadership skillz..." - Well I don't know about his "leadership skillz" or whatever, I wouldn't call him the leader of the team...I'm assuming that that's a .300 OBP...You know, it is kinda hard to draw a walk when no one around you can hit...heck, they can't even move a runner from 2nd to 3rd...

"...but they'll find a way to persevere."
- Don't be suprised if they persevere with Guillen...
JT

Submitted by bobtelos on September 18, 2008 - 11:19am.

I'm still not sure how pretty much every other starter on the team managed a higher walk rate than Guillen, especially considering the fear he allegedly strikes into the hearts of opposing batters (like that game against the As where Gordon was hitting right in front of Guillen and the As were so scared of Guillen that the walked Alex 5 times -- twice intentionally).

6 of one, I suppose

Submitted by lakewoodroyal on September 18, 2008 - 10:57am.

Grudzielanek did not get hurt until after the trade deadline. Check your facts.

Mayhay was also hurt after the trade deadline. Mayhay's history shows when he throws over 60 innings in any one season, he's not even close to the same the following season.

Those are just two examples without going into people like Pena, Peralta, Gobble, German, and others who are pretty evident - NOT the players who are going to make KC a winner anytime soon.

I can't disagree with you about Guillen. He's made it awfully hard to unload him. However, Dayton Moore is following the same trap that Baird followed by holding players too long.

This franchise needs prospects badly at the AA/AAA levels. Badly.

Submitted by bobtelos on September 18, 2008 - 11:04am.

Grudz was hurt after the non-waiver deadline. He still could have potentially been moved if he had cleared waivers, a la Matt Stairs or Adam Dunn.

I'm not atteched to Pena, Peralta, et. al. but if you think they're going to fetch any legit prospects rather than more Shane Costas and Angel Sanchezes, well, good luck to you.

Submitted by lakewoodroyal on September 17, 2008 - 12:33pm.

I've never seen whoop-tee-do spelled out. Thanks for that!

I think the media in KC is fascinated with losers and instead of dwelling on what is important, they'd rather make the news juicy by coming up with a story to point fingers at. I've said all season long that Guillen is only a small piece of the puzzle. Yet, if you read the Star and listen to other reports, you'd swear if it wasn't Guillen's fault, it was Hillman's fault. And if it wasn't either of their fault, it was because the payroll is too low. Just give it up. To be as cliche as possible - IT IS WHAT IT IS! Don't try to drumb up crap like the 810 magpies (why I quit listening) and don't be as ignorant with your questions as Rhonda Moss (the other reason I quit listening). Just report the game, tell a nice story about why Billy Butler is excited to trim down for next year, and move on to the Chiefs.

I bought $3 tickets this morning to go out to the game tonight. I can't wait - quality time with my 4 year old daughter. We'll load up on day old funnel cakes, hot dogs, cotton candy, and discuss the finer points of preschool. And who knows, it might actually bridge over to the game in one fashion or another.

Submitted by jtuck123 on September 17, 2008 - 12:50pm.

...I got me some seats in section 307 for 3 bucks too! I hope you have an enjoyable time with the daughter...

I'm not quite sure if that's how you spell it, but "whoop-tee-do" seems to get the point across...Speaking of Rhonda Moss, does she try to make her voice sound like it is, or is her voice just naturally low and annoying? It sounds like she's trying to get into the pants of every person she talks to...
JT

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