Looking back at Dayton Moore's moves, part 2

So we're looking at some of Dayton Moore's biggest moves in his two-plus years as general manager, and here's part 1.

I'm probably forgetting a move or two somewhere, but these are the big ones. Maybe this latest surge out of last place has slowly changed some minds, but I get the feeling that the rebuilding of this franchise isn't happening fast enough for some fans.

That's understandable. Royals fans have been beat down so hard and so often the last decade or so it's unfair to ask them to trust on blind faith that THIS rebuilding plan is the one that will work.

But I think the difference in what Moore and his people have done/are doing and what was done in the past is pretty simple.

Moore is more focused.

Now, comparisons to Allard Baird are as unfair as they are inevitable. Moore is enjoying resources and autonomy that Baird could only dream about.

But Moore is also sticking to his plan in a way that Royals fans haven't seen in a while. He talks starting pitching, so he goes out and gets starting pitching.

Everything is about starting pitching. When he traded pitching prospect Eric Cordier, it was to get Tony Pena Jr., a good defensive shortstop to help the pitching. When he traded J.P. Howell, it was to get Joey Gathright who he hoped would develop into the kind of speedy centerfielder to cover a lot of ground in spacious Kauffman Stadium and, um, you know, help out the starting pitching.

With the Jose Guillen signing and trade for Alberto Callaspo you're starting to see the focus shift a little, but only because he feels pretty good about the Greinke-Meche-Bannister-Hochevar-Davies rotation, and should. Those guys are all in their 20s, and none of them have had what you'd figure to be their best season, with the possible exception of Meche, and that's only a possible exception.

The Royals only recently climbed out of last place, their offense is still among the league's worst, and they don't have a lot of depth in their system to support trades or provide a cushion in the case of injuries at the major league level.

But I think sometimes fans underestimate how bad this franchise was. In an honest moment, I think Moore would admit that he underestimated how bad it was when he took the job, and, assuming I'm right about that, I've sometimes wondered if he would've accepted had he known just how bad things were in the organization.

But go back and look at what the Royals were like when Moore took over, and what they're like now. It's an enormous improvement, it took two years, and they're still tied for last place.

As Jose Guillen might say, it (stinks) having to be patient, but the Royals were very (horsebleep) two years ago. They're less (horsebleep) now, and that's progress.

A couple moves that didn't make the 10 have turned out fairly well, most notably the signing of Ron Mahay. Moore liked that Mahay was left-handed but could get righties out, too, and that's proven out as Mahay has been the team's best reliever without a cool nickname like The Mexicutioner.

Miguel Olivo has proven so far to be a great pickup, especially for the low-risk. On the bad side, Brett Tomko turned out to be a waste, and Yasuhiko Yabuta's signed through next year, though there's still hope for him.

Anyway, the rest of the moves:

Dec. 11, 2006. Signed RHP Gil Meche to five-year, $55-million contract. This is still Dayton's most talked-about move, and it was almost universally ripped at the time. He does a pretty good job, I think, of maintaining a strong public face but the criticism on this one got to him personally, mostly because he saw it as a dismissal of both his scouting department and his organization's relevance.

Meche was great last year, we've been over that, and in his last eight starts he's 3-3 with a 3.62 ERA, .632 OPS against, a 3-to-1 strikeout/walk ratio, and more than a strikeout per inning.

And this might be the kind of thing that gets overrated --- it is definitely the kind of thing that gets writers written about --- but he has taken control of that pitching staff.

He's the guy you see other pitchers gravitating toward, spending time at his locker, talking pitching or golf but a lot of pitching, and that's something the Royals were missing before and still wouldn't have if not for Meche.

Current judgment: Good signing.

July 31, 2007. Traded RHP Octavio Dotel to Atlanta for RHP Kyle Davies. Whenever Davies has a bad outing, this is the move fans seem to regret the most. But it's also a departure from reality, with some people seeming to think Moore should've traded for Dan Haren or Jake Peavy or some other unrealistic option.

They wanted to get Franklin Gutierrez, but the Indians wouldn't do it. Davies was the best deal Moore could get for an aging power arm that went on the DL within days of the trade, and from where I'm sitting, it looks like at worst they got a back of the rotation starter with potential for a little more.

His last start aside, Davies is off to a great beginning that the statistics (29 hits in 26 innings, 14 walks and 13 strikeouts) say won't continue.

He's also 24 years old with the kind of stuff and makeup scouts think will turn into a solid big league starter.

Current judgment: Good trade.

Dec. 6, 2007. Signed OF Jose Guillen to three-year, $36-million contract. Welcomed with a mixed reaction that leaned toward disapproval, especially when Guillen was suspended by baseball the same day the signing was announced for breaking its drug policy. That suspension was predictably lifted because Guillen never failed a test, and because MLB needed some goodwill.

The Royals probably overpaid, and I think in an honest moment they might admit that, but the money is justifiable under two theories: 1. Guillen makes them better, they needed run producers desperately, and run producers cost money, and, 2. If they wait around and try to negotiate down, in the meantime Torii Hunter and Andruw Jones go off the market and Guillen's the top available hitter and maybe his price goes even higher.

We've talked plenty about Guillen here lately, and you can read about his new-found patience here, but it sure is hard to imagine the Royals trying to score runs this year without Guillen's second-in-the-AL 60 RBIs and hot streak that's going on six weeks or so.

You know what's interesting? David DeJesus (124) and Mike Aviles (152) each have higher OPS+(es) than Guillen (114).

Current judgment: Great signing.

Dec. 14, 2007. Traded RHP Billy Buckner to Arizona for IF Alberto Callaspo. Unless I'm forgetting something, this was the first trade that could be viewed as a departure from the starting pitching obsession.

They made it because, I believe, they didn't think Buckner would develop into anything more than a No. 5 starter at best, and most likely a long reliever. Buckner's only 24, so you can't write the obit on him, but he's 4-7 with a 4.98 ERA in Class AAA. He's given up 110 hits in 90 1/3 innings, and opponents are batting .302 against him. His last outing he gave up 12 hits and seven earned runs in four innings.

Callaspo's impact on the Royals has been minimal. Nobody expected him to play every day, but sometimes it seems like he's in Trey Hillman's doghouse for whatever reason. It could just be that Callaspo suffers from the redundancy that's on the roster with him, Esteban German, Tony Pena Jr., and especially now the emerging Mike Aviles.

When he's played, Callaspo has showed adequate defensive skills at four positions (though he's limited at SS), a willingness to take a walk (nine in 100 at bats, the standards are low around here) and not much pop.

The Royals made this deal believing Callaspo was the second baseman of the future, and that still could be true (but maybe that guy all along was Aviles). Callaspo's out of options, so he's another player they can't move from the big league roster without losing. But they also didn't give up much.

Current judgment: Not a great trade for either team, but the Royals are ahead on this one.

Dec. 7, 2006. Selected RHP Joakim Soria in the Rule 5 draft. Um, yeah.

Current judgment: Incredible.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 27, 2008 - 8:24am.
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Submitted by lebowski7373 on July 1, 2008 - 1:26pm.

I think the Royals should sell the farm and try to make a trade for Holliday. I live in Denver and this guy is as good as it gets. Yes, his numbers are inflated at Coors, but he is a respectable basher on the road as well. He is a player in the mold of Brett - tough as nails, hard worker, plays the game right. I say offer a package including Billy Singles Butler, Tyler Lumsden, etc. Can you imagine a lineup of 1. DeJesus, 2. Aviles, 3. Holliday, 4. Guillen, 5. Gordon, 6. Teahen, 7. Grudz, 8. Buck/Olivio, 9. Gathright??? This division is ripe to be taken this year!!!

Submitted by dsmith84 on July 1, 2008 - 2:20pm.

unfortunately, the royals would have to give up a little bit more promising players than Lumsden in support of a guy like Butler to get Holliday. (Remember, Lumsden is now in his 2nd FULL season at AAA and has BAD numbers.) Even though the Rockies are struggling, they still haven't announced intentions to have a fire sale, which means a guy like Holliday won't come cheap, and unless we can agree to an extension with him then this deal would be counter-intuitive, trade away some of our future for half a season from a masher... when we are still 8 games below .500.

Submitted by lebowski7373 on July 1, 2008 - 3:14pm.

Agreed DSmith. My thoughts were to trade for Holliday as long as we sign him to a new deal - which would be a monster deal with Boras as his agent. I also threw out Butler and Lumsden as pure examples - I have no in depth knowledge of the Royals (pathetic) farm system or whom they could offer. Personally, if I owned the team, I would make every effort to make the deal.

Submitted by juliokc on June 30, 2008 - 4:09pm.

The biggest move that Dayton more tried to make was the one that unfortunately didn't go through. We had Milton Bradley for a split second last year! Can you imagine a healthy, productive Bradley, Dejesus, Guillen outfield? Wow! Then Teahen moves to first base, and you got yourself a lineup! I remember Bradley failed the physical (probably on purpose) but can't remember who was going to get traded for him? Anyone remember?

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 30, 2008 - 6:59pm.

Leo Nunez.

Submitted by jtuck123 on July 1, 2008 - 6:56am.

...we took the right end of that trade...I'd much rather have Leo Nunez (who doesn't storm the TV booth and try to "introduce" himself to Ryan and Split...) than Bradley (who does storm the TV booth and try to "introduce" himself to Ryan and Split...). But that's just my opinion...
JT

Submitted by Paul on June 29, 2008 - 7:33am.

Remember Jeff Keppinger? He has hit over .300 for Cincinnati for two years now, and has played mostly shortstop. He has also hit for more power than expected. Traded Gotay for him (good trade!), then got a non-prospect relief pitcher who is in high A again (BAD trade!) from Cincinnati. Ironically the National League team took a guy who "doesn't fit the profile" even as a 2B, then played him at SS because they decided you need to swing the bat to win games. This is especially true in the Big Boy League. I hope Dayton is learning this, but I fear we'll have an average .670 OPS for the three up the middle guys for years to come. That will be good enough for .500 and an occasional flukey 8-10 games over and first round playoff exit.

Submitted by asta dog on June 28, 2008 - 2:08pm.

First off,,,, Mexicutioner REALLY bites and yes is racist. How about SEE YA SORIA?? Dudes lights out.

Cant't believe there is still talk about Sweeney. Can't everyone see this turned around with his departure. You dont win games with prayer meetings. Give me a Ty Cobb kinda player any day.

Emil Brown??? Check you medication!!

Tori Hunter?? The Twins are better off today with Gomez and that dude is gonna be an all star and maybe HOF type player. How are the Mets and Santana doing this year BTW? Wait until you see the arms from that trade.

Move (ICHI G) Gathright??!! That can't be prescription medication sport. Put down the pipe.

Hmmmm,,, move a gold glove, .300 hitting second baseman because he's 37? So the DUI kid can have a shot? We can argue later when the Moose gets to the show. Aviles stays at SS,,, nuff said.

Submitted by sstiger on June 29, 2008 - 10:16am.

He's from Mexico, he's a Mexican. How is that racist? He could could be of Asian descent and be Mexican.

Submitted by dsmith84 on June 27, 2008 - 1:42pm.

oh, I was trying to comment on how well those non-deals have worked out for us. Aside from maybe Torii Hunter, our not signings have worked out for us. Silva (whom there was semi-serious talk about) and Jones (who we made a DEFINITE attempt at) have both been complete disasters this year.
Hunter is a consistent line-up threat on one of the best teams in the AL, which means he would have teamed with Guillen to be a fantastic 3-4 (or 4-5) in the middle of the lineup.
Is there anybody I am forgetting who we seriously tried to sign?

Submitted by alanm on June 28, 2008 - 7:23am.

dsmith84, You're forgetting that Hunter was Moore's 1st choice FA acquisition. When he signed with the Angels Guillen was 3rd on the list. Glass wouldn't of been able to afford both.
Also Sam, Another board that I frequent we've been calling Soria Filthy McNasty. I dunno, I guess we've been calling him that since last year and it kind of stuck. I actually like Filthy McNasty better. The nickname Mexicutioner sounds kinda racist if you ask me.
Just saying.

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 28, 2008 - 11:03am.

It wasn't an either/or. They were prepared to sign both, or two out of Guillen/Hunter/Jones. The Angels' bid blew everyone out of the water at the last minute, and it was Jones who took less money. Either way, I think the Royals made out like bandits it the guy they got for the contract they got him.

I don't think the nickname is racist, unless you also consider the Nigerian Nightmare racist, or White Chocolate, or Chocolate Thunder.

Submitted by jtuck123 on June 27, 2008 - 1:33pm.

What if we traded Yasuiko Yabuta back to Japan for the rights to be in the NL Central? That would be the best trade Dayton Moore could make right now...lol....maybe not...
Anyway, check this article out from SI about why the American League is better than the National League...
"Reason # 10. The Royals

One of the worst teams in the AL over the past couple of decades -- though not a completely meritless one this season -- the Royals only wish they had the good fortune of playing in the NL full-time. Since interleague play's inception in '97, the Royals are .415 in all games. Against the NL, they're not good, but they're a much better .471. And this year, they're 12-3.

That's right. The Kansas City Royals, like the rest of the AL, own the NL right now."

Makes you feel real good about yourself doesn't it?

EDIT: Oh, Alberto...why? Only drive drunk when there aren't cops anywhere...What were you thinking?

JT

Submitted by collinincalifornia on June 27, 2008 - 10:41am.

What happens if we can't trade guys like Grudz or Gload or Gathright? I think we all know we need roster space to figure out what we have in Callaspo and to give Butler another chance... so do we just drop a vet like Grudz if nobody bites? Do we just drop Gload? What do you think?

Submitted by jtuck123 on June 27, 2008 - 11:55am.

What do we do with these players? First off, Grudzielanek's last year will probably be this year. The dude is an amazing singles hitter and he's done well for the Royals, but let's face it, he's 37 and he's ready to go into broadcasting somewhere...Gload, German, Callaspo, Gathright, Shealy (when and if he comes back)...Where do these guys go?
1. Gload still has at least 3 or 4 more years left in him, but I don't think we could get anything for him in a trade.
2. Callaspo might take over for Grudz starting at 2nd...if Mike Aviles doesn't get the job and Pena stays at short or we get a new shortstop...
3. Gathright has sooooo much speed on the basebaths and in the field, I don't think Hillman or Moore wants to get rid of him...
4. Shealy needs to go...now...the dismal sub-Mendosa batting average in AAA means bye-bye Ryan!

So, I don't really know of anything to do with these guys. I think that what happens with them is going to have to make (or break) Dayton Moore as a GM. But, we'll see what happens before the end of July...
JT

Submitted by crawford on June 27, 2008 - 11:47am.

What i like about the Meche and Guillen signing is that's Dayton (& the Glass's) putting their chips on the table for two roster spots on the team. Here Kansas City, two good players to play good ball. Two Position where we won't perpetualy revovle has-beens and prospects through the roster. Two down, (x) many to go. That said, at this point in the story line is where I believe the previous regime kept screwing up. They would either get too attached to the players they had that they could over trade, or get tunnel vision and only work trades for one player or one position that we need on the roster now.

What does he do next. (beside signing Hosmer and Mellville? )

Submitted by lakewoodroyal on June 27, 2008 - 10:15am.

I think the next moves Moore makes as far as trading away players will REALLY be of interest. Up until this point, he's been able to make hay on the leftover trash that was here when he arrived. But now he'll have to prove his GM ability by getting value for guys that have at least a little gas in the tank. There are only a handful of players on the team that are protected. Gordon, Butler, Guillen, and for the most part the top 4 in the rotation and the closer. Outside of that, I think the rest of the group could be packaged. And that is where it will get interesting. What do you get for Buck (if you can get anything?) What do you do with DeJesus? How do you upgrade players by moving Teahen? We have a glut of average ballplayers on the team, and that is where it will get more challenging for Dayton Moore. How to improve upon average.

As for Guillen being overpaid. I'm not going to buy into it. Same with Meche. With baseball's lack of cap, what you think you may have overpaid for today, you actually got a steal on tomorrow. And you said it best. Meche is like having an extra pitching coach in the locker room. He brought, more than anything, a leadership quality to a group of young pitchers who needed a PLAYER to learn from. And with Guillen - 80% of his salary is his ability. The other 20% is lighting a fire to the rest of the squad. This seems trivial, but did you notice he was one of the first ones to jump out of the dugout and put a towel on the umps forehead? He's the guy who pied Aviles on TV after his big night in St. Louis. And as silly as it sounds, his little on-air controversy that he stirs up, actually gets people interested in the team. Even if all they are doing is complaining about him, the chatter is up and the interest is there. So I don't think we overpaid for someone who is helping not only offensively in the lineup, but also to add a little "oomph" factor to the clubhouse. Not to mention, he's the star power on the team to help keep butts in seats for the marketing department.

Submitted by dsmith84 on June 27, 2008 - 10:05am.

I think you are a year off on the soria deal. Not to be nitpicky. I am just not sure San Diego could have kept him a secret for a whole extras season!
You knew that deal was going to be gold when within a week of picking him up, he pitched a no hitter in the mexican league.
And I would say that other than picking up Guillen, Mahay was the best offseason move we made.

I'd like to see some talk about the moves we DIDN'T make...
Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter, Carlos Silva, etc.

Submitted by jtuck123 on June 27, 2008 - 11:26am.

I just need to know what makes any of the bottom three you mentioned good right now...(or at least better than what we picked up...)

1. Andruw Jones - .165 BA, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 6 doubles, .543 OPS...
2. Torii Hunter - .282 BA, 9 HR, 37 RBI, 21 doubles, .803 OPS...
3. Carlos Silva - 3-9, 5.92 ERA, 63 earned runs, .320 BA against...

There's all that needs to be said...these players are no where as good as the ones we picked up...(Gil Meche, Jose Guillen...)
JT

Submitted by dsmith84 on June 27, 2008 - 1:49pm.

my post got misplaced above, but to add to it, those numbers put Hunter as a top 3 hitter in our lineup (with Guillen and DeJesus). His combination of power and speed and defense would be fantastic. Hunter is a DeJesus bat and a Gathright defense that could play Centerfield every day and solidify the team. Imagine DeJesus in left and Hunter in Center every day, with Guillen and Teahen platooning in right (Guillen also DHing, and Teahen also playing first).
Plus, we could really use another veteran outfielder while we wait for the next wave of outfielders in our system to develop, as the most recent class (Costa, Maier, Lubanski) has essentially stalled out in AAA.

Submitted by jtuck123 on June 28, 2008 - 8:29am.

I wouldn't mind having Torii Hunter, the only problem I would have with him would be the contract that we would sign with him...He wanted a bigger contract than what we were offering him and then he settles with Los Angeles for less money.
I don't think Moore wanted to give Hunter a contract for 6 years like the one that he got from Los Angeles. First off, the 90+ million dollars would tie us up for a while monetarily(is that a word?). Secondly, I think Torii's best years are already over...I expect his numbers to start dipping...(hopefully not as bad as, say, Richie Sexon...) Anyway, I'm with ya, we got the better end of the deal right now...
JT

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 27, 2008 - 10:46am.

Soria's date is fixed. Brain fart.

Submitted by bfos7215 on June 27, 2008 - 9:53am.

Why is it interesting that DeJesus has a better OPS+ than Guillen? I guess it may be a surprise to a lot of people. But, DeJesus has been the best hitter on our team. Guillen is getting so much more respect and attention than David only because DeJesus is relegated as our lead-off.

DeJesus's RC27 (6.5) is a full run better than Guillen's.

Submitted by JMGesling on June 27, 2008 - 9:49am.

I know it's not a trade, but I think it was important to note that Moore did not re-sign Sweeney.

Mike Sweeney is a great Royal, and a great human being. He did as much as he could to get the Royals winning and on the right track. Unfortunately, he was part of that forgettable era of Royals baseball. Whether or not, his leave signaled a partial end to that version of the organization.

Sometimes, its not what you add but what you subtract.

Let's not forget the increased payroll and addition of Latin American scouting. That will pay big dividends in my opinion.

Submitted by slarv on June 27, 2008 - 2:39pm.

How about the Milton Bradley trade that was voided due to his injury?

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