Jose Guillen won't back down, is glad he said what he said, and isn't that a nice change?

Here's the thing you have to like about Jose Guillen: he's real.

It's easy for famous people, I think especially athletes, to create certain images that they feel like they have to live up to. Fake images, sometimes it's the image they want to be, sometimes it's the image they think will cause them the least trouble, or make them the most money.

You know the whole "it's not about the money" line? Guillen will tell you he signed with the Royals because they had the best offer.

His mother lives in New York and was on his case to sign with the Mets.

"Mom," he remembers telling her, "I cannot say no to this offer."

He is honest, whether it makes him look good or not.

If he thinks the fans are wrong for booing him, he'll say it, as he did in a story we did about a month ago. If he thinks he showed up to spring training too fat, he'll say it.

And if he thinks some of his teammates are "(expletive) babies" who need to learn how to win, yeah, he'll say that too.

And he won't back down from it.

"I'm just trying to speak the truth," he told me yesterday in the clubhouse. "The truth is the truth. I'm not backing off what I said, that's it."

You can make the argument that Guillen wasn't the right guy to say something. I disagree, but can certainly see where that argument comes from.

Either way, you have to understand that this is absolutely in Guillen's DNA --- to not only blow up, but to then stand by what he said in the heat of the moment.

With months to cool down after the (in)famous blowup in Anaheim with Mike Scioscia, Guillen then called Scioscia "a piece of garbage," said he could "go to hell," and that everytime he played the Angels with Scioscia as manager, it would be personal.

There was also an incident in Cincinnati, where he was pulled from the lineup at the last second so the Reds could showcase a younger outfielder, and Guillen let loose a tirade that ended with a hole in the wall.

Years later, I asked him about it in spring training.

"I had every reason in the world to be the maddest I can be," he said. "I should have blown up the (expletive) clubhouse. I understand this is not my team, but come on. I was hitting .340 that year in Cincinnati."

He finished at .337, but you get his point. Maybe you take all this as sour grapes, or an inability to let things go. Whatever, I can see that.

But to me, it's refreshing to deal with a guy who speaks his mind like that, doesn't much care about the consequence, and won't cry "I was misquoted" or "it was takent out of context" when people start reacting.

A couple of Guillen's teammates have given him that "out" in interviews since, of mentioning that sometimes when you're angry and frustrated (something they all were during that 12-game losing streak) you say things you later regret.

But not Guillen. If the man says it, angry or calm, chances are he means it.

From what I can tell, most Royals fans like Guillen's style as well. Or at least they do for now.

By the time I woke up the morning after Guillen's "babies" rant, I got text messages from two good friends who are big Royals fans saying Guillen was their new favorite player. Probably a couple dozen e-mails said the same thing, and I know there were a few threads on Royals Corner with similar sentiments.

Guillen's noticed it, too. I've never heard him say this, but I think he was a little apprehensive about what the next three years would be like in Kansas City and with the Royals.

Assuming he does finish that contract here, it would be the longest he's ever played for one team. He's talked a lot about how he's excited to finally "have a home," one place he knows he'll be, but I think there has definitely been a feeling out process here, and on both sides.

I know it didn't help when Guillen and his wife were minutes from handing over a deposit check for a house near the Plaza when his driver's car (which contained Guillen's wife's purse) was stolen. That's probably not the best welcome to KC moment you could think of.

But they found another house, and are in the process of settling in, both literally and figuratively.

I thought it was telling when Guillen told me this, too:

"The fans, my first at bat (Friday, after the rant), I never heard the fans here clap for me that loud," Guillen said. "It's nice that they have my back, as well as my teammates. I know sometimes in baseball you've got to say what you've got to say, and some people can take it the wrong way.

"I never had any probelm telling the truth to people. I've never been afraid of that, but hopefully I don't have to do that again for a long time."

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 2, 2008 - 7:54am.
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Submitted by JBTischer on June 8, 2008 - 10:45am.

I appreciate candor and a strong will to win, but I don't think anyone has the right to pop off anytime HE chooses AND not expect others to be able to do the same. So I submit the following candid remarks. Someone wrote they'd take a team full of guys like Guillen. Really? - nine guys making $12 million/year, for being basically a two and a half-tool player, AT BEST? The guy can throw and he can get hot with the bat and jack a few out (though, at .247 and nine homers, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on the hitting for average and power). But he can't go get balls (how many more catches are Gathright and Grudzielanek gonna have to make in RIGHT FIELD this year?). He's SLOW on the bases (whoa-one stolen base this year!) I was sorry the Royals felt the need to go out and get this guy, especially for that price tag. Historically, a clubhouse cancer can only work ok on a team fairly loaded with talent, and the Royals are not that team. The CANDID truth is, real winners lead best by example, not by the mouth, and I am not convinced Guillen has the talent to ever be a real winner. With his attitude, his level of talent, and his level of pay, he represents far too well what is wrong with professional baseball. Good luck Royals and MLB fans.

Submitted by TheDudeAbides on June 3, 2008 - 12:31am.

Mike Scioscia stood behind his feelings on Jose Guillen too. Scioscia suggested Jose Guillen is a "piece of garbage" by suspending him for an all-important playoff run.

Let's be honest about this situation. This is about winning. Jose Guillen was the Royals 4th option in the outfield this year with them failing in the bidding for Jones, Hunter, and Fukudome.

All three of those players went to winning organizations. Jose Guillen is a loser. He came to the Royals.

Jose Guillen is now a fan favorite for calling out his teammates because they are babies who don't know how to win. This is Jose Guillen's 8th team in the last 8 years because major league GMs know one thing for certain: when it comes to putting together a winner, the one ingredient you don't need is Jose Guillen.

Mike Scioscia won two World Series titles as a player, has won another as a manager, and has taken his team to the postseason on numerous other occasions.

This is about winning, Jose said it himself. If a person is the definiton of their actions and we define acceptable behavior in sports by the win-loss column, then Jose Guillen is a loser. By that standard, I have no problem stating unequivocally that he's a piece of garbage.

(Note: I have no liking for Mike Scioscia who seems like a puffed up bully who gets to manage to team with a large salary, but let's be honest. It's not character that's really in question here. It's KC's desperation for a winner.)

Submitted by TheDudeAbides on June 3, 2008 - 1:12am.

I know that some people are going to object to the harshness of my criticism, but I just want to reiterate that Jose Guillen is a huge part of the problem. He includes himself as needing to be better in his rant. So what?

The rant he delivered should have been exclusively about himself. As a major league baseball player you need to deliver either performance or character and preferably - especially if you're being paid $12 million a year - both.

Guillen gets something of a pass because he played okay during the losing streak, but it's the whole season that matters. Before the streak the Royals were something like a game under .500 and a game and a half out of first.

Where was the person to come out and deliver a rant to the media pointing out that if Jose Guillen wasn't a MASSIVE BUST the Royals would have had a 5 game lead in the division at that point!

Jose Guillen is a crappy character guy as evidenced by the fact that everywhere he's gone the team has quickly unloaded him. This isn't a guy only disliked by Mike Scioscia. And you know he's a crappy character guy because he's a good bat and you don't give up that kind of bat unless the person is destroying your locker room.

However this year, Jose has also been lousy on the field.

Right now Guillen has a NEGATIVE number according to Baseball Reference in both adjusted batting runs and adjusted batting wins. Which means, if the Royals had just gotten an AVERAGE HITTER for their $12 million they might have been in first place when the Streak started.

Jose Guillen needs to Shut the $^&# up and see if he can get his no-longer-steroid-using self up to MAJOR LEAGUE AVERAGE as a hitter (for example, not being ranked 74th among everyday major league outfielders in OPS). Or, if he's so big on accountability and not being a baby, he could offer whatever part of his salary corresponds to being a slightly below average player with just flat out reeking intangibles.

And if you don't buy it from me, just remember Mose predicted all this.

Submitted by Aaron Barnhart ... on June 3, 2008 - 8:10am.

Except that "Josey" (as Hillman calls him) has come out and said he wasn't fit to play the first 2-4 weeks of the season, when his stats sagged lower than John Goodman's hammock.

My guess is he really did think he would be suspended, and pays his trainer by the week.

He's been accountable for his poor performance the first third of the season. If he's still a bust at year end, then you'll be able to make your little point, perhaps with even more capital letters.

Submitted by nickdeck on June 2, 2008 - 2:04pm.

I'm one of those that's become a Guillen fan, but I remember him saying something before the season about how he couldn't talk (then) about the steroid business. I think that at the first possible opportunity, he should tell his side of the story. If he used them, fess up and admit it was wrong. If not, explain his side of it. If honesty is what he wants to be known for, he shouldn't have a problem doing that.

That said, man, I couldn't believe that half-swing home run! More! Give us more!

Submitted by Nate Greene on June 2, 2008 - 10:28am.

Guillen is like Hal McRae. I made McRae mad to lose. Furious. I remember reading that after a loss there was a pretty good chance that every lightbulb from the dugout to the clubhouse would be busted, and that training table or two would be turned over.

By McRae. After routine losses.

That may or may not be true, but you can be sure that a lot of the swagger of the late 70s-early 80s for the Royals came from McRae and his flat-out determination. This Royals team could use a lot more of that fire, and I for one won't criticize a guy who provides some of it.

Submitted by crawford on June 3, 2008 - 7:09am.

Ahh and McRea and Brett - they were not only our most talented players: they were our most competitive, too. i'm not sure this is the case on this team. (I know for sure it wasn't after Beltran was traded)

Submitted by Boy Genius on June 2, 2008 - 7:39pm.

I thought this was the case when they signed Guillen. He even chose #11. I'm old enough to clearly remember the pre-McRae Royals and the post McRae Royals. Everybody thought pitcher Wayne Simpson was the gem in that trade. But Hal McRae taught the young Royals how to win. If you missed a sign, you dealt with Hal. If a Royal was brushed back by an opposing pitcher, the Royals pitcher better hit someone. If you went into 2nd base soft on a double play, you dealt with Hal. Then it was contagious. Brett got that way. Otis got that way. Patek got that way. Rojas got that way. I hope we're seeing history repeat. Go #11, go!

Submitted by Sam Mellinger on June 2, 2008 - 1:45pm.

.....that I think I respect so much about big league players and executives and coaches is the balance they have to do. None of them would've made it this far if they weren't hyper competitive, though there are still varying degrees of this. It has to gnaw at them every loss, you know? It pisses them off, robs them of sleep, makes them second-guess themselves and what they're doing. But there are also 162 flipping games, and even the very best teams lose 60 times during a season, so you have to be able to control that frustration and anger.

It's a balance that I don't think I'd be very good at, and I admire the guys who do it well.

Submitted by JMGesling on June 2, 2008 - 9:39am.

That's what's been missing. Guillen isn't the best example, but he's not bad, and he plays for us.

Submitted by bangoskank on June 2, 2008 - 8:57am.

I love guys like this. I've always been a fan of Charles Barkley and that ilk. I appreciate the fact that Guillen says what is on his mind even if some people tend to cringe at it. I would take a team full of guys like Guillen in a heart beat.

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